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WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
Respect to twokopekei, didn't see the thread on the lightside and I know many don't make it over to the darkside often.

Fake ANACS slabs from China?

Fake ANACS slabs from China? Is PCGS next or are they already here?
We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
--Severian the Lame

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  • If you do not like the coins, you can return it to me within 15days, I will offer you all refund?image
  • I've been wondering when they'd git around to it.

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    Alex in Alaska
    Collecting Morgans in Any Grade
  • Wow!
  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    I thought the slab looked fake when I saw the posting earlier! China knocking off TPG slabs could kill the TPG's!
  • BlackBeardBlackBeard Posts: 1,064
    It's about time the US put some pressure on China concerning copyright infringement. They are copying everything, movie DVD's, software, CD's, Roseville pottery, lots of Microsoft software, and countless other items. They have DVD's on the street before they are released from what I've heard. It seems to be a country full of crooks. I'm getting sick of it myself.
    Witty sig line currently under construction. Thank you for your patience.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    It should not be a surprise.
    Our most favored trade partners have been ripping everyone off.

    Check out the fake Disneyland, the link is slow but this one is worth the wait, it's amazing.

    They could easily copy the grading companies, u name it!


    They copied Disneyland


    They copied NEC company
    Ed
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    Check out the fake Disneyland

    The Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998—alternatively known as the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act or pejoratively as the Mickey Mouse Protection Act—extended copyright terms in the United States by 20 years. Before the Act (under the Copyright Act of 1976), copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship;

    from wikipedia.

    so basically, are they really stealing or just following the laws before
    they were changed ???

    anyway, i like how china operates. wild west. reminds me of the USA
    in its early days.

  • GooberGoober Posts: 980 ✭✭✭
    If you've every been to Asia, whether it was Korea, the P.I., China, you will know that counterfeiting has been going on for 20+ years and little has ever been done to ebb the tide. I don't doubt someone will make the jump to PCGS, and NGC when it comes to attempt at reproducing their slabs.
    Prost!

    Why step over the dollar to get to the cent? Because it's a 55DDO.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    i know many here have a real love of history, so when i reach back
    a 150 years for an example of how the US used to be just like
    china... well we were.

    The principle of linking copyright and lifespan was further extended to an author's lifetime plus fifty years in 1911. Reciprocal copyright treaties with other nations were authorized by statute in 1838 and 1844. The most important of these early reciprocal accords was that between Britain and Prussia in 1846, which eventually led to The Berne Convention of 1886. However, American publishers continued to regard the work of a foreign (i. e., non-resident) author as unprotected 'common' property. Thus, although the Berne Convention greatly simplified the copyright process among European nations, numerous unauthorized American re-prints continued to appear until 1891, when the United States finally agreed to discontinue sanctioning literary piracy.
    http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/dickens/pva/pva74.html

    so my point is, i am unsure. pot kettle black or something.
    let ANACS fight the battle. i guess i will have to research a bit more
    before buying. buyer should always beware.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "It's about time the US put some pressure on China concerning copyright infringement. "

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Sadly, that will NEVER happen.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • BlackBeardBlackBeard Posts: 1,064
    Counterfeiting has been going on for hundreds of years, however China has made a major industry of it.
    Witty sig line currently under construction. Thank you for your patience.
  • GATGAT Posts: 3,146
    eBay could put a stop to this by simply not allowing any listings from China. Also, this is not new, there are counterfeit PCGS rattlers out there.
    USAF vet 1951-59
  • MichiganMichigan Posts: 4,942


    << <i>It's about time the US put some pressure on China concerning copyright infringement. They are copying everything, movie DVD's, software, CD's, Roseville pottery, lots of Microsoft software, and countless other items. They have DVD's on the street before they are released from what I've heard. It seems to be a country full of crooks. I'm getting sick of it myself. >>




    Won't do any good, this has been happening for many years and China does not take it seriously. The few companies that have
    tried suing have gotten nowhere with the Chinese legal system.
  • lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720
    This is going to do serious damage to the hobby.
    It's not so much the fake slabs, but that the coins within will be fake also.

    Ray
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    How do they ship USPS from China? image

    Gotta be an accomplice here in order to do that.
  • flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭
    I wonder how much they charge. Maybe I've found a source for the small size ANACS holders image -- since ANACS won't use 'em anymore.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"It's about time the US put some pressure on China concerning copyright infringement. "

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Sadly, that will NEVER happen. >>

    The US has pressured China for some things but probably nothing as important as coins.
  • USPS, that is assuming they send the coin in the 1st place.
    John Monderine
    Collection Agency
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Maybe these fakes are in holders from that same source.

    Most of these likely fakes are in the old small holders.
    Anacs still uses the old small holders for all problem coins. Maybe that's why these are all noted with problems.
    Ed
  • i wonder if the holders used by tpg aren't produced in China or elsewhere?
  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    UNBELIEVABLE !!! I could imagine what kind of damage this would do to the hobby of coin collecting. PCGS & NGC better look out also.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I am sending all my ANACS holdered coins for reholder into the newest style ANACS holders, the ones not yet copied.image
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.

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