Can a Lincoln Cent Grade MS67RB?

OneCent · March 1, 2007 12:00PM

Don't think I've ever seen one and there are none in the Pop Report. Sooo, I guess the answer is Red and Brown Lincolns are capped out at MS66.

Any other thoughts?

ColonialCoinUnion · March 1, 2007 12:10PM

Is it productive to think about coins in this way?

dizzyfoxx · March 1, 2007 12:12PM

Never seen one either, and I've actually wondered the same thing.

pharmer · March 1, 2007 12:12PM

perfectstrike · March 1, 2007 12:17PM

Yes, if you don't send it to PCGS.

David

OneCent · March 1, 2007 12:21PM

<< Is it productive to think about coins in this way? >>

Sure, why not? I like em' raw, slabbed, brown, red and brown, red and sometimes toned.

Some may say I need to have more focus...

braddick · March 1, 2007 12:29PM

Here's one although it's not R/B, it's an MS67 BN.

It's a pretty one too!

LeeG · March 1, 2007 12:31PM

<< Don't think I've ever seen one >>

I'm happy to share this one with you then

OneCent · March 1, 2007 12:37PM

Question answered!

Thanks for sharing, LeeG. The lustre and color are spectacular on that '57

!

Braddick - I never thought Brown cents could/would grade above a 66 either. That is an attractive piece Anaconda has for sale.

mnmcoin · March 1, 2007 5:47PM

Not sure about PCGS, but I have a 1936d NGC Lincoln in MS67RB in my collection.

morris <><

rabbitracks · March 1, 2007 7:48PM

Here is my pop top 1/0 example.

Mike.

Someday REAL American HERO's will be on our COINS.

66RB · March 1, 2007 10:59PM

OneCent..I had a 1939 PCGS MS67RB I sold on eBay a while ago. I'm pretty sure a forum member won the auction. Being as I am at work, I do not have a photo of it, however, I do have a poor photo of my 1950-S NGC MS67RB...

And, a 1956 NGC MS67RB....

droopyd · March 2, 2007 1:48PM

I am simply shocked that a Lincoln Cent with any weakness in the "O" on the reverse could be a 67 let alone a 65.

Or am I just a modern day Rip Van Winkle?

66RB · March 2, 2007 1:56PM

<< I am simply shocked that a Lincoln Cent with any weakness in the "O" on the reverse could be a 67 let alone a 65.

Or am I just a modern day Rip Van Winkle? >>

Some are of the opinion that the color of a coin may 'carry the grade'

pharmer · March 2, 2007 2:31PM

<< I am simply shocked that a Lincoln Cent with any weakness in the "O" on the reverse could be a 67 let alone a 65.

Or am I just a modern day Rip Van Winkle? >>

What does falling asleep for 40 years have to do with ngc routinely overgrading wheats?

OneCent · March 2, 2007 2:56PM

Pharmer - are you taking a shot at NGC?

or is it Rip VanStinkle....

Capiche?

mcgrover · March 2, 2007 3:13PM

I have an NGC MS66 BN (1931D) but it's more purple than brown. I think it gets the BN or RB due to darkness , not browness, as the pics show. Mine's at the bank.

coinlieutenant · March 2, 2007 4:19PM

The real question is whether or not a cent can grade MS67Brown. PCGS has graded a total of 29 wheaties at MS67 RB...but a big goose egg at MS67 Brown and only 42 at MS66 Brown.

Good on PCGS. IMO NGC has such a higher population in the Brown and RB grade since they tend to overlook one of the top grading factors...luster. As a copper coin tones, the luster is diminished more significantly that on a silver coin. Diminished luster keeps a Brown coin out of the superb gem range and I agree with PCGS's standards when it comes to copper. I see so many lackluster (and not just copper) NGC graded coins in superb gem holders, I just shake my head.

Strangely enough, there is only 1 Indian Cent grade MS67BN and zero MS67RB.

For the two cent series, there are none graded in MS67 for either Brown or RB....but still a 20 to 3 ratio of RB's to BN's.
I buy any PC Graded MS66 Brown 2 Cent piece I can get my hands on...and I have zero.

JOhn

coinlieutenant · March 4, 2007 3:54AM

I am such a thread killer. Everyone agrees with my drivel?

mgoodm3 · March 4, 2007 3:59AM

I think the fact that there's a ceiling for brown copper allows you to get some very nice coins for a reasonable price (relatively).

illini420 · October 2, 2010 5:32PM

Was reading some old threads and I thought I'd try to update this with some more current information.

The pop reports now show approximately 61 PCGS graded wheat cents, all but 3 of which are dated 1939 and up and over half of all of the 67RB wheaties are 1939-S (11 examples) and 1941-D (24 examples).

Up until last winter, there were no MS67RB graded Lincolns dated pre-1939. At that time, the first 1909 VDB Lincoln Cent was awarded the MS67RB grade by PCGS and was later sold in the Bowers & Merena June 2010 Baltimore auction for a total price of $920 (over double the PCGS guide estimate price and around half the value of a really nice looking MS67RD example). Here are the photos from the B&M auction:

Then, this summer the MS67RB pops of the 1909 VDB jumped from 1 to 3. At the September 2010 Long Beach show I found out why. A dealer at the show told me his company submitted several original rolls of 1909 VDB cents which had been in his vault for many years. They must have been some great rolls as he got back around 25 in 66RB and 2 in 67RB. All were for sale at the show and I bought the 2 examples in 67RB and I also cherrypicked out the 6 best looking 66RBs that he had. At the show I had Todd of BluCC photos image the 67RB examples and he did a great job, even though the slabs were pretty banged up:

PCGS MS67RB

PCGS MS67RB

The fact that this guy made 2 VDBs in 67RB from just a few original rolls makes me wonder how many more rolls of these exist and how many of those would be nice enough to produce 67RB coins? But with only 3 graded at this level so far, I was no way letting 2 of the 3 get away from me, especially when they looked so pretty (and of course the price was right)!!!

BigRick · October 2, 2010 10:30PM

Absolutely.

lkeigwin · October 2, 2010 11:28PM

PCGS has certified very few 67RB's. I'm sure NGC has many.

Here is a pop 1/1 from PCGS.
Lance.

MPLunatic · October 3, 2010 12:43AM

here is one that I used to own

ElmerFusterpuck · October 3, 2010 12:43AM

Yes Virginia, they do exist! This used to be a pop 1, until a fellow forum member also got one graded at MS-67 RB.

lkeigwin · October 3, 2010 4:24AM

One more. This is a year which had more than a couple 67RB.

The obverse is stunning. But the reverse has planchet flaws that weren't cleaned up by the strike (and to a lesser extent, the obverse at the opposite side at the shoulder).

I am a little surprised PCGS felt it was a 67. Sure, planchet flaws aren't supposed to count, and it's color and luster are superior. Nonetheless, the coin's eye appeal is hurt by the reverse, including the spotty toning, IMO. I have no doubt PCGS would grade it lower if I sent it in raw. I also doubt PCGS would do anything if I tried a "regrade" (which isn't worth it anyway, money-wise).
Lance.

crazyhounddog · October 3, 2010 4:34AM

<< One more. This is a year which had more than a couple 67RB.

The obverse is stunning. But the reverse has planchet flaws that weren't cleaned up by the strike (and to a lesser extent, the obverse at the opposite side at the shoulder).

I am a little surprised PCGS felt it was a 67. Sure, planchet flaws aren't supposed to count, and it's color and luster are superior. Nonetheless, the coin's eye appeal is hurt by the reverse, including the spotty toning, IMO. I have no doubt PCGS would grade it lower if I sent it in raw. I also doubt PCGS would do anything if I tried a "regrade" (which isn't worth it anyway, money-wise).
Lance.

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Hey Lance, that's sure is a pretty Lincoln.....Save some of the nice one's for the rest of us!

pharmer · October 3, 2010 5:41AM

lkeigwin · October 3, 2010 6:38AM

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That's my 1956 (displayed above).

Lance.

Can a Lincoln Cent Grade MS67RB?

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