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Is it safe to keep coins in the old David Hall (pre-PCGS) holders?

ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
I recently received a Buffalo Nickel "slabbed" in one of the old David Hall holders. I think the holders are cool because the were a pre-cursor to the PCGS holders in that David Hall used the PCGS numbering system.

My concern is that the flip to the David Hall holder is the "soft" type that likely has PVC. However, the coin inside is encapsulated in one of those clear "cointain" type capsules, so the coin may be protected from PVC damage in the soft flip. However, I do not know if the capsule itself has PVC (it probably does not).

Has anyone heard of PVC damage from these old holders? Any input would be appreciated. Here are pics of the coin:

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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    Is that the excessively rare 1937 Gold Buffalo? image
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    theumptheump Posts: 634 ✭✭
    I would cherish that coin the way I would a NGC black holder. I would think that type of holder has tremendous value.
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    ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would cherish that coin the way I would a NGC black holder. I would think that type of holder has tremendous value. >>



    Not quite.
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    theumptheump Posts: 634 ✭✭
    Really? They aren't that rare? I have never seen one of those before. Granted, I have never looked either.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,608 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is that the excessively rare 1937 Gold Buffalo? image >>



    Yes, it's true . . . . . Hall was a step ahead of Littleton in offering cheesy gold-plated coins! image
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    theumptheump Posts: 634 ✭✭
    What about regular coins in a David Hall holder?
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,608 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What about regular coins in a David Hall holder? >>



    I was kidding. Bad white balance on the photo makes the nickel look "gold".
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,761 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i><< I would cherish that coin the way I would a NGC black holder. I would think that type of holder has tremendous value. >>

    Not quite. >>


    I too would think these have some value above and beyond the coin inside albeit no where near what an NGC black slab brings.


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    JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    I think those holders probably contained PVC and I would recommend removing them and puting them into the PVC-free 2x2's, keeping the DH insert, of course.

    The other thing that you can consider is having them encapsulated by PCGS. I am sure that they will be happy to accept these.
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    hughesm1hughesm1 Posts: 778 ✭✭
    I ran the cert. verification on 30003756 and it came up as a 1924 Saint in MS63image
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,633 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the coin is in a Kointain, it will be safe even if inside a PVC flip.

    However, there was a knockoff brand called American coin holders, which I do not know is safe or not. Ask Mr. Hall if he used Kointains or American brand coin shells.

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    JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Tom is correct. I did not see the cointain.
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    clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615
    You should have David sign it.
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    They type of holder a coin is in should have no affect on value, as all the value is the coin, not the holder it's in. Now if you think a certain holder has some value then it wouldn't matter if there was a coin in it or not.
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,608 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Tom is correct. I did not see the cointain. >>



    Yes, it is in a cointain. The coin itself has no evidence of PVC damage, so I suspect the cointain is protecting the coin sufficiently. But if anyone has had or heard of coins being damaged by PVC in these holders, I would like to know. I will keep it intact for now.
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,317 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This would be a great question for the Q & A Forum image

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    MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭
    Here is MrsSpud's one. It is in a Kointain too
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    Since we aren't alking about rarities here, I would keep them in these "holders" for the historical aspect of TPG history. If they haven't dispalyed any PVC damage by now, they probably are safe.

    Garrow
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They type of holder a coin is in should have no affect on value, as all the value is the coin, not the holder it's in. Now if you think a certain holder has some value then it wouldn't matter if there was a coin in it or not. >>



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    So true. Glad that you didn't drink the Koolaide. image
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    All the DH flipped/sealed coins I used to have were Kointains, not the cheap knock-offs. You can tell the difference, real Kointains are convex. The imitations are flat.
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    The American Tite-fit knockoffs were much cheaper and seemed to me to be just as good protecting my coins over the decades .
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some really nice MS65's there almost look a little higher today.

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