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Word to the wise for E-Bay sellers!

OK, you have an auction running. Nice coin, things are going great. You get a E-Bay message from a person who wants to buy the coin. I hit the reply button Outlook and get this in the addess bar UseTheYellowButton@ebay.com. You and the potential buyer trade messages via E-Bays massage system, strike up a price, you end the auction early and sell the coin.
DON'T EVER DO THAT!
You will get one of these! This email is to notify you that your account has been suspended for a minimum of 7 days due to violation of our Fee Avoidance Policy.
Seems big brother is watching!!
DON'T EVER DO THAT!
You will get one of these! This email is to notify you that your account has been suspended for a minimum of 7 days due to violation of our Fee Avoidance Policy.
Seems big brother is watching!!
It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!
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I always try my best to abide by the rules.
I am really surprised by this, though. They are watching THEIR system. If you put your email in your auction and they contact you outside of ebay, you have little protection from ebay/pay pal and you will actually have to deal with a REAL PERSON
On the same token, this could open the flood gates of ebayers learning to TRUST other established sellers and could actually BACKFIRE on ebay.
Life is too short to worry. Eat dessert first !
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
Does this mean that all your other auctions that are currently running at the same time are suspended also? If so, wonder if they will reimburse your listing fees. I seem to have noticed that since I have started selling a few modern league coins/sets that flea bay is pro-buyer and seller has the burden of proof. I have almost had a nelly full of them myself; in between al the fees involved they don't even give you a kiss afterwards
Steve
<< <i>He was framed!! >>
how can you frame a rubber chicken???
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
dont do the crime
if you cant pay the time!
<< <i> You and the potential buyer trade messages via E-Bays massage system, ... >>
Your first problem is you were using their "massage" system. That was your first clue that it was a front for more evil things.
Second,
The more eBay does things like this, the more I enjoy avoiding their fees
It is well known that eBay monitors anything that could negatively effect their income (you, on the other hand, can suck wind and fend for yourselves). When I receive an offer to purchase, I simply set up a BIN auction (with a single approved bidder list) and give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. This prevents the wrath of Meg Whitman's minions reigning terror down upon my business in the form of cancelled auctions and a subsequent NARU.
PCGS, ANACS, & NGC Certified Coins on My Website.
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<< <i> You and the potential buyer trade messages via E-Bays massage system, ... >>
Your first problem is you were using their "massage" system. That was your first clue that it was a front for more evil things.
Clearly, it rubbed Marty the wrong way.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
Apparently they didn't read MY rules which expressly prohibits invasions of privacy and outright entrapment. What? You thought only big corps and the government got to make up rules?
If you don't want to be treated like nazi fascist pigs, don't act like nazi fascist pigs. It's that simple.
<< <i>I just click the reply button on my email. I never exchange messages through eBay's system. I thought from the beginning that they were spying on us.
The more eBay does things like this, the more I enjoy avoiding their fees
NEVER click on links inside of your email. Copy the URL and post it into a new address bar.
An ISP provider told me this. He says not even to open links that your mom sent. SPOOF mailings with PHISHING scams, TROJANS, and VIRUSES run their course through emails and links in MESSENGER servers.
Just FYI
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
Man, that's awfully cheesy of them.
Definitely framed.
Sorry to hear of the trouble!
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
Best Franklin Website
Recently we became aware that your eBay account was involved in the following activity:
* Transaction Interference -
Emailing buyers in an open or ended transaction to warn them away from a seller or item.
Or
Contacting a seller and offering to purchase the listed item outside of eBay.
We realize that you may not have been aware that there was a rule against this activity. Therefore, we would like to take this opportunity to invite you to review Section 5.5 of our User Agreement, which states:
5.5 Manipulation. Neither bidders nor sellers may manipulate the price of any item nor may you interfere with other user's listings or auctions.
We understand your willingness to help try and keep eBay a safe and fun place, but please understand there are many ways we enable a user to make an informed decision about their transaction without outside interference.
Please understand our goal is to help you understand our policies to ensure successful experiences at eBay. Therefore, we respectfully request that you refrain from this activity in the future to avoid the possible suspension of your eBay registration.
We would like to take this opportunity to invite you to review our site policies, which can be found at:
http://pages.ebay.com/help//policies/transaction-interference.html
Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this important matter.
Regards,
Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)
eBay Inc
I suspect it was because I pointed out to a seller on eBay that he was selling an AT'ed-in-the-holder proof Franklin in an old PCGS rattler. I posted it here, and emailed him the link. He promptly blocked my emails. I can't think of anything else I have done recently that would cause me to get reported. So I responded to customer service (actually, three times now), asking them for an explanation of how I violated either of the two policies they listed. I have never emailed any potential buyers, nor have I made an offer to buy outside of eBay. Morons.
<< <i>OUCH!!!
It is well known that eBay monitors anything that could negatively effect their income (you, on the other hand, can suck wind and fend for yourselves). When I receive an offer to purchase, I simply set up a BIN auction (with a single approved bidder list) and give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. This prevents the wrath of Meg Whitman's minions reigning terror down upon my business in the form of cancelled auctions and a subsequent NARU.
David
BTW, they DID NOT credit my listing fees (I had 3 featured plus items).
Oh well, time to get a TeleTrade order together!!!
<< <i>BTW, they DID NOT credit my listing fees (I had 3 featured plus items). >>
Double ouch!
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
Best Franklin Website
3 "DAMMIT BOYS"
4 "YOU SUCKS"
Numerous POTD (But NONE officially recognized)
Seated Halves are my specialty !
Seated Half set by date/mm COMPLETE !
Seated Half set by WB# - 289 down / 31 to go !!!!!
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IN MEMORY OF THE CUOF
and pick up anyway. never had a problem.. yet
it's also interesting how the ebay reply to question button won't let you type the @ symbol for emails.
you have to code it with #@#$%% at hotmail.com, or something like that.
Russ, NCNE
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
I was under the impression that sellers can change their auctions (W/o bids) to a BIN-
Can this be done, or do they have to cancel and re-list with a BIN?
A witty saying proves nothing- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor
does the truth become error because nobody will see it. -Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)
<< <i>I've never gotten an eMail that says UseTheYellowButton@ebay.com.
Russ, NCNE >>
If a person sends a question to a seller via the eBay message system and checks the box "hide my e-mail", the recipeint cannot reply to them directly, off eBay. When the recipient attempts to reply through their outlook express e-mail system directly, the email address shows up as "UseTheYellowButton@ebay.com". This forces you to reply through the eBay message system.
<< <i>I was under the impression that sellers can change their auctions (W/o bids) to a BIN-
Can this be done, or do they have to cancel and re-list with a BIN? >>
This can be done, however, you run the risk of another party hitting the BIN. This can be avoided by changing the listing to approved buyers only, of which your negotiating buyer would be the only one approved.
PCGS, ANACS, & NGC Certified Coins on My Website.
If you put something up on ebay to sell, then you sell it on ebay. Yes, people skirt that rule all the time and get away with it, but when you get caught, don't whine.
I don't feel sorry for people who list something (and others may set snipes on it) and then it disappears "no longer available". Not to say I haven't made an offer to buy something prior to close, but I always allow for the seller to do a single BIN for me (and have had one do just that) so no one gets nailed by the system.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i><< I've never gotten an eMail that says UseTheYellowButton@ebay.com.
Russ, NCNE >>
If a person sends a question to a seller via the eBay message system and checks the box "hide my e-mail", the recipeint cannot reply to them directly, off eBay. When the recipient attempts to reply through their outlook express e-mail system directly, the email address shows up as "UseTheYellowButton@ebay.com". This forces you to reply through the eBay message system. >>
I get many eMails from users who hide their return address. Still have never gotten one that says UseTheYellowButton@ebay.com.
Russ, NCNE
madmartyk(4192) Not a registered user
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But, but, but............. You're a POWER SELLER !!!
You don't think you got framed, right? This was a legitimate buyer? --Jerry
It's a trap!
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
Chris
<< <i>i've closed a lot of auctions early for sales outside of ebay. especially on non coin items that people have to come
and pick up anyway. never had a problem.. yet >>
If the person didn't contact you through ebay in the first place, then it's no problem to end an auction early. For example, if I own a coin store and put a coin up for auction and someone comes in the store and buys it, I can cancel the auction early because the item is no longer for sale.
However, if someone contacted me through ebay and said "Can I make a reasonable offer and you end the auction early?" and payment is made outside of ebay, then that is a violation of ebay policy (basically they don't get their commission for making the connection between the two parties).
As for the last time, that one sucked! But this time I can't argue with it at all.
As for the use the yellow button, if a user doens't uncheck the hide E-Mail and you reply to it you get this.
The only way to reply to the user is to go through E-Bays mail system.
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<< <i>i've closed a lot of auctions early for sales outside of ebay. especially on non coin items that people have to come
and pick up anyway. never had a problem.. yet >>
If the person didn't contact you through ebay in the first place, then it's no problem to end an auction early. For example, if I own a coin store and put a coin up for auction and someone comes in the store and buys it, I can cancel the auction early because the item is no longer for sale.
However, if someone contacted me through ebay and said "Can I make a reasonable offer and you end the auction early?" and payment is made outside of ebay, then that is a violation of ebay policy (basically they don't get their commission for making the connection between the two parties). >>
Exactly! and if the auction has bidders you can't add a BIN.
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<< <i>
<< <i>i've closed a lot of auctions early for sales outside of ebay. especially on non coin items that people have to come
and pick up anyway. never had a problem.. yet >>
If the person didn't contact you through ebay in the first place, then it's no problem to end an auction early. For example, if I own a coin store and put a coin up for auction and someone comes in the store and buys it, I can cancel the auction early because the item is no longer for sale.
However, if someone contacted me through ebay and said "Can I make a reasonable offer and you end the auction early?" and payment is made outside of ebay, then that is a violation of ebay policy (basically they don't get their commission for making the connection between the two parties). >>
Exactly! and if the auction has bidders you can't add a BIN. >>
You can cancel all bids, end the auction, then relist a new one with BIN.
A PITA, yes, but within the system rules.
Poor MadMarty......ebay spanking #2, right?
(btw....if you do end the auction early, and know you will for the right circumstances....you should put that in your auction.....as a buyer, it always sucks to bid or have snipe and the stupid seller ends the auction so you don't even have a chance....and, the seller doesn't know how high you would have gone....just use a BIN if you are going to end them for the "right price" anyway)
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Welcome back !!!!