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Thread Title: 1819 The 18th in a series of CBH's--Show off your busts
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JRocco
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Wednesday December 13, 2006 7:23 PM

This is the 18th in a series of informative picture threads covering the lettered edge Capped Bust Half Dollars from 1807-36 in reverse year order.

General guidelines:

1. Members can simply post pictures, or include pertinent information like Overton marriage and diagnostics, or just ask for information about their pictured coin from other members. Please keep picture file sizes within reason for dial up members.

2. Ultimately, we would like to see at least one example pictured for each Overton marriage.

3. Thread starts are only on Thursdays and Sundays.

If you would like to see any of the previous threads covering the years 1820 to 1836 go HERE -- Thanks coinaddict.

PLEASE CONTRIBUTE: You don't have to know anything about Bust Half varieties to make a comment, even if it's to say 'I like this coin..',
it helps to keep the thread lively, and all input is VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!

Let me once again thank Mozin for starting this informative series of threads and for all the work he has put into this as well as his willingness to help and show us some of his monster CBH's---THANKS MOZIN

1819
Total estimated mintage is 2,208,000. There were 14 obverse and 13 reverse dies used resulting in 15 varieties for this year.
There are only 2 very scarce varieties this year, the O-103 and the O-106 which are both 1819/18, 9 over 8 overdates.

Here is the 1819/18 O-101
It utilizes Obverse 1 with Reverse A
Some characteristics of this die marriage are:
Obv-1819/18, stars are sharp with long points close to the milling, the 9 is a small narrow 9 with an open tail and the 81 is closer than the 18 or 19 in the date.
Rev-There is a solid twin segment below the 50, the 5 is slender with a large 0. The arrowheads are separated and there is a fine die crack between the tips of the olive leaves to the top of the UN and it gradually extends around much of the reverse.

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Wednesday December 13, 2006 8:24 PM

O-104
Obverse: Star 2 has bold extra points from being recut.
Reverse: No signs of upper left serifs on E's. Right sdes of T-I in line.

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JRocco
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Wednesday December 13, 2006 8:40 PM

Here is an 1819 O-111
Some characteristics of this marriage are:
Obv- stars 1 and 2 are closer together than the others, the 18 is wider than the 819.
Rev- 50C is low, the E in STATES is much lower than the T and the R is higher at the base than the I

Another item I would like to add about the 1819's--I am not sure if this applies to all 15 marriages, but this is the only year in the series that I have seen that shows the end of the middle arrow-shaft having a full pointed ending as opposed to a shorter cut off middle arrow-tail--Please look at the pic I am including and discuss if any opinions/thoughts.

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Thursday December 14, 2006 1:40 PM

ttt---it's Thursday

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Thursday December 14, 2006 1:40 PM

Damn J-Rock, that O.101 is incredible

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Thursday December 14, 2006 4:02 PM

Whew,those 1820 and 21 dates are tough,but I'm in for 1819.This is O-109,R2.Obv stars are large and close to

milling.Rev 50 C. is low,5 has a large round loop and a curved top.JRocco,you've got me looking at those arrow shafts more closely,didn't notice that before.

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mozin
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Thursday December 14, 2006 4:53 PM

JRocco,

Thanks for starting this thread.

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Some diagnostics for Large 9 1819/18 O-102 R2:

Obverse: Star 1 points to upper edge of dentil. 19 is wider than 181. All the 1819 overdates share the same style 1s, different from the regular 1819 marriages.

Reverse: Wide dentil spacing below 0 in 50. All three Ts have defective right bases. Right side of I under left side of T.

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Edited: Sunday April 15, 2007 at 2:29 AM by mozin

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Friday December 15, 2006 8:16 AM

I like the O-101 the best!

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AuldFartte
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Friday December 15, 2006 8:19 AM

mepot, I just love the look of your O-109 !!!

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rhedden
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Friday December 15, 2006 9:42 AM

O-115 R3. Don't see many of this die marriage offered for sale.

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mozin
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Monday December 18, 2006 1:52 PM

Some diagnostics for Large 9 1819/18 O-104 R1:

Obverse: Star 1 points to upper half of dentil. Star 2 is drastically recut, star 4 also recut. All the 1819 overdates share the same style 1s, different from the regular 1819 marriages.

Reverse: Upper left serifs missing on Es. Right sides of I and T in line.

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Edited: Sunday April 15, 2007 at 2:30 AM by mozin

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Tuesday January 09, 2007 10:26 PM

Some diagnostics for Large 9 1819/18 O-106 R4:

Obverse: Star 1 points between dentils. "18" is wider than "819". Accent mark shows above second "1". Two or three die lines just left of first "1" flag. All of the 1819 overdates share the same style "1's", different from the regular 1819 marriages.

Reverse: Notch at right base of "A's" at right. Right sides of "I" and "T" are in line. (Reverse shared with O-105.)

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Tuesday February 06, 2007 11:50 PM

Some diagnostics for Small 9 1819/8 O-101 R1:

Obverse: Star 1 points to upper half of dentil. Date has slender figures, and "81" is closer than "18" or "19".

Reverse: There is a triple dentil below large "0" in "50 C", and "5" is slender. "I" is centered under right side of "T".

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Edited: Saturday March 03, 2007 at 3:43 PM by mozin

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Wednesday April 18, 2007 7:02 PM

1819 O-105, R2

This 1819 die marriage is referred to in the O/P books as an 1819/18 overdate.

It is not.

All of the 1819/18 overdates have a flat top 1's. This O-105 die marriage has the "pointed" top 1's.

For a complete, well-written explanation, please refer to Edgar's book: "Bust Half Fever II," page 448.

This die marriage was struck using obv. die 4 and rev. die E. Reverse die E was used immediately after to strike O-106.

I find it interesting that the first four 1819/18 overdated die marriages were the first four 1819 coins struck in the year. They are O-101, O-103, O-102, and O-104. They were struck in this order.

The O-105 was the second to the last die marriage struck in 1819. The 1819/18 O-106 overdate was the last die marriage struck in 1819.

Does this mean that after obverse die 4 failed during the striking the O-105, the Mint had no new 1819 dated dies ready for use? ...and they had no choice but to "drag out of moth balls" an unused 1818 die and overdate it to in order to strike the O-106.

I would think that later that year some new 1819 dated dies must have been become available for usage while the O-106 was being struck. Evidently the calendar year ended before these new dies could be used. Where else would the obverse dies overdated 1820/19's come from?

Quick identifier:

(1) On the obverse there is a solid bar connecting tail and loop of the 9 making it look like an overdate. ...but the tops of the 1's are pointed so it must be the O-105.

(2) On the reverse there is a notch at the right base of the A's.

Photos of the1819 O-105, R2:

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Edited: Friday May 04, 2007 at 7:12 AM by edmerlr

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mozin
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Wednesday April 18, 2007 9:51 PM

Nice write-up on the O-105 normal date. I was hoping to sell my specimen before word got out that it was not an overdate. Oh well, the label on the NGC holder says 1819/8, so it must be an overdate.

Those CU members who have not purchased BUST HALF FEVER second edition may be out of luck in finding one to buy. The book is sold out. If you locate one, quickly snatch it up. If all you can find is a copy of the first edition, it has much of what is written in the second edition.

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Wednesday April 18, 2007 10:14 PM

Mozin...

...I just checked www.abebooks.com

(As I start to type this, the time is 10:05 PM PST)

They have ONE copy of the second edition available.

It is not cheap.

...but if it makes you potential "Bust Half Fever" buyers feel better, let me honestly tell you that when I bought the 1st Edition (several years ago when it was out of print) I had to pay $150 for my copy. I still have it in my bookcase.

If I had owned that book---and read it---before I heavily got into Busties, the knowledge it gave me would have saved me hundreds of dollars (if not more). I am convinced of this. In the beginning of my Bustie buying, I was not a smart collector.

Happy hunting,

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Saturday April 21, 2007 6:46 PM

Some diagnostics for 1819 O-107a R3:

Obverse: Star 1 points to lower half of dentil. Star 7 points to upper half of dentil, and to lower edge of curl. Star 13 nearly touches curl. On this LDS, a heavy crack shows from edge at star 2, across bust, left of lower curl, and to left curve of 9. A tiny crack goes from above down through second 1.

Reverse: 50 C has large round figures, and the 5 is recut, showing left of its upright, and above its flag. Lower right serif of first A in AMERICA is notched at right. On this LDS, a crack shows at the top of AMERICA to edge below lower arrowhead. I is centered below T. (Reverse is shared with O-108.)

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Edited: Saturday May 05, 2007 at 4:05 PM by mozin

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Monday April 23, 2007 8:52 PM

The 1819 O-107 die marriage.

This is somewhat of a repeat from Mozin's last posting of the 1819 O-107a Late Die State of this die marriage.

Mozin posted photos of his coin as soon as possible at my request. I have been looking for this Late Die State for quite some time now and I wanted to get a clear VISUAL idea of what the die cracks looked like. Like I stated to him in a personal e-mail: "The O/P book may describe the die cracks exactly, but to me A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS."

Again, my thanks to Mozin for "dropping everything" on a Saturday night to post pictures for me.

I thought I would go ahead and post the photos of my Early Die State set piece.

Mozin did a great job of presenting the diagnostics for this die marriage. I will not try to repeat he said.

The only difference between the EDS and the LDS is that the Later Die State has no die cracks.

Photos of my 1819 O-107, R4:

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Edited: Friday May 04, 2007 at 7:11 AM by edmerlr

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Thursday April 26, 2007 6:23 PM

1819.....

I love this year in the CBH series.
The 20's are awesome and the 30's are OK, but the teens is the decade that puts CBH's on the map.
Between those heavy clashes of the earlier teens, the 13/UNI gem, the 15 treasure, the dry year of 16 followed by the jaw dropping varieties of 17......I love the teens in the CBH series.

1819 brings up the rear in this great decade of CBH coinage.....

I want to see more......

Any takers ?????

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Thursday April 26, 2007 6:41 PM

I have an 1821 when you bring that date up I will post a pic
I think its a O-101, but I'll let the experts tell me more.

it does have a small scratch though and will never get graded.

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