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How accurate coin photography can add 2K to a coin's value

shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
Sold by Heritage just recently, 1864 Copper Nickel PCGS MS 66 for $11,500.

More accuartely imaged by Anaconda/Poorguy, 1864 Copper Nickel PCGS MS 66 asking $13,500.

Poorguy nailed it, whoever consigned it to Heritage must be scratching their head.
Heritage vs. Anaconda images.
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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    I looks like two different coins. Unbelievable.
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  • Beautiful photo of a beautiful coin. That first picture is pathetic by comparison.
  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    I have been contending for some time now that Heritage's lack of desire to invest in accurate coin imaging is costing their consignors money, and ultimately will hurt Heritage's reputation. It looks like they are purposely going out of their way to mis-image the consignments right now. Shame on Heritage.
  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    interesting, nice post...............

    if it aint gold , my wallet dont get that wide tho
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  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    The devil's advocate of this post asks: which is the true look of this coin?

    Only those who viewed it in person can say for sure. I think it's somewhere in between the two photos.
  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317


    << <i>The devil's advocate of this post asks: which is the true look of this coin?

    Only those who viewed it in person can say for sure. I think it's somewhere in between the two photos. >>



    Here's a resized image of my original raw image that I took to crop out the obverse. Anyone who saw this coin in-hand will agree that it's a stunner!

    image
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  • GemineyeGemineye Posts: 5,374
    A beauty in the right eye.......image
    ......Larry........image
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    I'm scratching my head and wondering why anyone with a coin with ANY attractive coloring would bother with having Heritage sell it for them. Their images might as well be black and white.
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Brandon - the quality of your full slab image passes my litmus test. The dimples on the slab are dead on.
    The color of the label is right considering the harsh lighting angle you used.

    You now officially nailed this image in my eyes. Adrian should give you a raise.

    image
  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    I do believe it to be the same coin, however what can account for what appears to be almost a gouge in the lower middle part of the shield in the first picture that is not in the second? Just curious?
  • Actually...it's only worth $2,000 more if it sells for $13,500....We know it sold for $11,500..........
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting color for a CN coin......I sometimes wonder how much of a prism the plastic is.
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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm scratching my head and wondering why anyone with a coin with ANY attractive coloring would bother with having Heritage sell it for them. Their images might as well be black and white. >>


    For the same reason the full-page ad guys in Coin World have been around as long as they have and can afford those ads, Littleton thrives, and the TV coin shows exist. There are a lot of people buying coins who have no clue.
  • JulioJulio Posts: 2,501
    The devil's advocate of this post asks: which is the true look of this coin?

    Only those who viewed it in person can say for sure. I think it's somewhere in between the two photos.

    Hey, they did a great job. The above words are the simple truth. We all try hard, some do it better, some like me, not good at all. No one I've met, heard about, or even expect to meet is foolish eneough to claim perfection.
    Can you imagine the moral obligation, the stress of trying to acheive that impossible goal of the "perfect" reproduction. Takes guts and talent to even get close. jmo. jws
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  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317
    Can you imagine the moral obligation, the stress of trying to acheive that impossible goal of the "perfect" reproduction. Takes guts and talent to even get close. jmo. jws

    It usually takes me one shot of the obverse and one shot of the reverse. image

    I'm obsessive and can't sleep right at night if I settle for an image that looks "ok". There are several on our site that still keep me up at night because I was so busy and had to settle with just "ok".
    Brandon Kelley - ANA - 972.746.9193 - http://www.bestofyesterdaycollectibles.com
  • JulioJulio Posts: 2,501
    It usually takes me one shot of the obverse and one shot of the reverse.

    Dang your good. image.

    Insomania; welcome to my world. image. jws
    image
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe the color was added after the sale? Quick, let's find a spot to prove they're the same coin! image
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  • "How accurate coin photography can add 2K to a coin's value"


    Photo is very nice but I am more than sure that many dealers and collectors viewed the coin in person not just by photo. So, I guess I am confused by how a new photograph makes it worth more? sounds like dealer markup to me which is absolutely fine but it;s still the same coin that I am sure was viewed many times in person.
  • Quick, let's find a spot to prove they're the same coin!


    There are a few very tiny specks in both photos, same coin for sure

    to the right of one on the reverse

    tucked in the space between the headdress at about 2;oclock

    and a very faint cheek mark more prominent in the first photo than the second
  • JulioJulio Posts: 2,501
    Photo is very nice but I am more than sure that many dealers and collectors viewed the coin in person not just by photo. So, I guess I am confused by how a new photograph makes it worth more? sounds like dealer markup to me which is absolutely fine but it;s still the same...

    No argument from me on the above. Heck, it's probably true.
    Bob Dylan said it, so don't blame me. The Times They Are A Changing. At least I think he sang it. Could be wrong.

    It's my opinion that those who can accurately depict a coin and do, will win. The brave new world is here. jmo. jws
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  • TrimeTrime Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭
    It is true that the second picture depicts the coin in "more favorable light". It is also true that the coin was seen by many eyes in the auction review process. In the offsight bidding world it only takes 2 bidders to drive the price of a coin up. Few would argue that the second picture made a nice coin look terrific. In this way pictoral marketing means a lot. This coin was worth $13000 on that day to that auction winner. It would be interesting to know if the winners on both occassions saw the coin in person or only the image.
    Trime
  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317


    << <i>It is true that the second picture depicts the coin in "more favorable light". It is also true that the coin was seen by many eyes in the auction review process. In the offsight bidding world it only takes 2 bidders to drive the price of a coin up. Few would argue that the second picture made a nice coin look terrific. In this way pictoral marketing means a lot. This coin was worth $13000 on that day to that auction winner. It would be interesting to know if the winners on both occassions saw the coin in person or only the image. >>



    We bought the coin at the auction. When we viewed lots, this coin stood out as exceptional and we compared it to the image provided which didn't even HINT that the coin had such incredible eye appeal. Maybe that kept some from bidding, maybe it didn't.

    It is true that the second picture depicts the coin in "more favorable light".

    You make it sound like it doesn't look like our image in-hand, which I don't like one bit. The coin is accurately represented in our image and I believe I provided enough proof to that effect. How Heritage images their coin is their perogative. I feel that their image of the coin is very inaccurate and that ours is not just a "more favorable light" just because it looks better. It is actually how the coin looks.
    Brandon Kelley - ANA - 972.746.9193 - http://www.bestofyesterdaycollectibles.com
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    My apologizes to Brandon and Adrian for this post. They both did best what they are very talented at, buying a coin
    at a price that had some potential, and imaging it for resale in a complimentary way.

    This is what successful coin dealers do for a living. The only difference between this coin and the coins we all have
    purchased from coin dealers is, we never have a post that linked the coin dealer's original purchase. Newsflash: coin dealers
    markup coins!

    Obviously this coin was viewed in person by many who saw what it really looked like. One dealer pulled the trigger on it.
    Perhaps in the back of his mind was "I have a photographer who can nail this coin"?

    Anyway, this was only meant to be an educational look at how the retail coin market works. My apologizes to Brandon
    and Adrian if it hurt your coin listing in any way. (Which I doubt it did).

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They did not add $2000 worth of value; they only added $2K of juice to the price. By presenting the coin with top notch pix, they increase the odds that the price increase will stick.
    theknowitalltroll;


  • << <i>

    << <i>The devil's advocate of this post asks: which is the true look of this coin?

    Only those who viewed it in person can say for sure. I think it's somewhere in between the two photos. >>



    Here's a resized image of my original raw image that I took to crop out the obverse. Anyone who saw this coin in-hand will agree that it's a stunner!

    image >>



    W0w I would love to see this in person. These are the two hardest colors to get on a coin and keep.

    Just a truly fantastic looking coin.
  • Heritage's imaging is lousy.. Last time I went to great lengths to warn them to get my toner pictures right. They ignored me, apparently because I didn't consign more than $100k, and were totally unapologetic.

    Get a clue.
  • Anybody that will set up and invest 11K deserves to sell at 13K. It cost to take an investment risk and hold inventory. If I buy 1000 shares of an 11 stock and sell it for 13 I don't feel like I've hit a home run. Big bet for a small percentage reward. VERY VERY NICE COIN.
    OLDER IS BETTER
  • Great coin and great camera skills.......


    AL
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, that is a stunner Brandon. Very impressive photography image

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