1967 Everest SMS Kennedy PCGS MS68DCAM
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This 1967 SMS Kennedy PCGS MS68DCAM was recently sold to one of our clients. It is one of our “Everest” selections.
In Rick Tomaska's words: "This magnificent specimen was struck from one of the most spectacular SMS Kennedy cameo die varieties known. Referred to as the “birthmark” variety, due to the prominent frost-fade spot above Kennedy’s temple, many of the finest SMS cameo Kennedy halves known have been struck from this very special die. At one time, there was even speculation among some cameo dealers and collectors that coins struck from this die were branch mint proofs, given the extraordinary cameo contrast and eye-appeal of the finest examples."
The original owner wanted well over the current PCGS Price Guide value before he would part with it.
In Rick Tomaska's words: "This magnificent specimen was struck from one of the most spectacular SMS Kennedy cameo die varieties known. Referred to as the “birthmark” variety, due to the prominent frost-fade spot above Kennedy’s temple, many of the finest SMS cameo Kennedy halves known have been struck from this very special die. At one time, there was even speculation among some cameo dealers and collectors that coins struck from this die were branch mint proofs, given the extraordinary cameo contrast and eye-appeal of the finest examples."
The original owner wanted well over the current PCGS Price Guide value before he would part with it.
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Russ, NCNE
Birthmark and all!!!!!!
Russ is gonna freak!!!!
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
-Amanda
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Russ, NCNE >>
Easy Russ - Remember - if that lasts more than 4 hours - call your physician
That is one nice coin though.
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Russ, NCNE >>
Easy Russ - Remember - if that lasts more than 4 hours - call your physician >>
I'm going to have to stay seated for a while.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>By todays PCGS standards that coin would only be a CAM because of the frost breaks on the reverse.
I was thinking the same thing... They would't give a wedding cake credit for having full frost right now
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
The sets were priced at $20.00 each.
The DCAM halfs all looked very nice, but since these coins are "everywhere" and available by the "truckload" I passed on buying any of the sets. "Modern Crap" if I ever saw any and not worth even giving any thought to the coins.
Geeze, when will collectors realize that these types of coins are junk?
<< <i>By todays PCGS standards that coin would only be a CAM because of the frost breaks on the reverse. >>
I'm not so sure those are breaks. Could just be lighting shadows.
Russ, NCNE
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Thanks, Rick or Jackie or whomever.
Joe
Why do people cover up the certification number? I see it on ebay a lot also.
<< <i>Why do people cover up the certification number? I see it on ebay a lot also. >>
To protect against cert number theft. There are slimeballs who register coins in the PCGS set registry that they don't own.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>Why do people cover up the certification number? I see it on ebay a lot also. >>
To protect against cert number theft. There are slimeballs who register coins in the PCGS set registry that they don't own. >>
Don't they get in trouble for that?
<< <i>"Modern Crap". >>
<< <i>To protect against cert number theft. There are slimeballs who register coins in the PCGS set registry that they don't own. >>
Don't they get in trouble for that? >>
I don't know what kind of "trouble" they could get in. When PCGS discovers it, they remove the coin, but beyond that there isn't much they can do. It's a hassle for the legitimate owner, because when they try to register it in their set they get an error message. Then they have to prove to PCGS that they own the coin.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>Need bigger pics... please! >>
Here you go:
Russ, NCNE
-Amanda
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Russ, NCNE >>
Easy Russ - Remember - if that lasts more than 4 hours - call your physician >>
I'm going to have to stay seated for a while.
Russ, NCNE >>
Remember, if it lasts more than 8 hrs, call Marty and brag.
lol
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<< <i>It's even more beautiful in the larger photos! >>
Hehe, it's not the same coin. That one is one of mine, and is graded MS67DCAM.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>It's even more beautiful in the larger photos! >>
Hehe, it's not the same coin. That one is one of mine, and is graded MS67DCAM.
Russ, NCNE >>
Sneaky. Veeery sneaky.
-Amanda
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<< <i>Gemineye: my two prior replies were and are "tongue in cheek". I am a big fan of SMS CAM and DCAM coins coolect them myself. I have a couple of very nice 1967 CAM SMS halves. To bad they are not as nice as the 68DCAM pictured. >>
Myself included........
The two photos are great shots......and Russ takes some beauts..........Don't mind the Bartster.....he's a bit prankish...!!!
There are a few of these that look more like branch mint proofs but they aren't necessarily better looking. It
is very remarkable that the mirror surfaces and full detail can be done in a single strike.
"At the recent Fremont, Cal. coin show I looked at a large group (about 100) of 1967 SMS sets. About every other SMS half in the sets looked just like the 68DCAM pictured in this post, with a few even better. All were birth mark coins.
The sets were priced at $20.00 each.
The DCAM halfs all looked very nice, but since these coins are "everywhere" and available by the "truckload" I passed on buying any of the sets. "Modern Crap" if I ever saw any and not worth even giving any thought to the coins.
Geeze, when will collectors realize that these types of coins are junk? "
Hey Sanction, Are you kidding??????
If I had actually found the SMS sets with the halves I described, at $20.00 per set, the $20.00 bills would be jumping out of my wallet into the hands of the selling dealer at light speed; or even Warp 5. The I would be crowing about it on the forum.
Nice Birthmark Kennedy - bet that cost a good chunk of change.
I keep looking for my first Birthmark Kennedy in an SMS set - so far I have not found any, much less a monster DCAM.
Very nice.
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Russ, NCNE >>
Geez loueez!!!!
“Futuretrends in Numismatics”
#4 in a continuing series
“Buy the coin, not the holder”.
Collectors new to buying superb U.S. proof coins often wonder why two cameo proof coins of the same grade, from the same service, might be priced differently. It is often because one is significantly more contrasted, i.e. has more “eye appeal”, than the other!
The next question then is, “If one is more contrasted, why do they get the same “Cameo” (or Deep Cameo) designation?
To answer that most important question, I refer you to the very important, but almost never talked about, “PCGS Cameo Grading Set”.
While PCGS only offers three proof grades on their holder for proof coins, there are actually seven cameo grades in the PCGS Grading Set! The PCGS Set is comprised of several dozen coins purchased by PCGS to help guide present and future graders at PCGS in maintaining a permanent, consistent, and constant standard that will be the same 50 years from now as it is today.
The cameo grading set, used by the graders at PCGS to help determine what designation (PR, CAM, or DCAM) should go on the holder, has the following seven comparison-categories to aid their graders:
1. Proof + (plus) These are coins that exhibit some cameo contrast, but not quite enough on either obverse or reverse to earn a “Cameo” designation. One side may even be DCAM! However, the other side does not meet the minimum “Cameo” standard. These coins are simply designated “PR”.
2. Cameo – (minus) These are coins which exhibit the minimum standard for cameo contrast on both their obverse & reverse. These coins are designated “CAM”.
3. Cameo A “dead center” cameo, with slightly more contrast than category 2 coins.
4. Cameo + (plus) Exceptional contrast. Approaching DCAM status, but at least one side does not meet the minimum standard. These coins also receive a “CAM” designation.
5. DCAM – (minus) These coins display considerable cameo contrast on both their obverse and reverse. Quite striking in appearance, though not quite the “black & white” variety, with slightly more contrast than a Cam+ - just enough to earn a “DCAM” designation on the holder. On other coins, one side can even be DCAM+, but again the other has just enough contrast to earn a DCAM.
6. DCAM A “dead center” DCAM. This is a black & white. The devices offer the snow-white cameo effect, the mirrors the jet-black look that cameo collectors lust for. Exceptional contrast, though not a DCAM+ as there may be a frost-break or two on the devices.
7. DCAM + (plus) Ultimate!! Very, very few pre-1972 proof coins exhibit this level of contrast. On a DCAM+ coin devices are intensely frosted, with little if any frost-break on both obverse and reverse. From this earlier era, only the very first strikes from a matching die pair that was perfectly prepared, ever display this level of contrast, and few dies of any year were prepared this perfectly. These coins also receive a “DCAM” designation on the holder.
How do I know all this? I helped David Hall and PCGS assemble their cameo grading set in 1991.
How the PCGS Cameo Grading Set came about: The year was 1991. I just released my first book, “Cameo And Brilliant Proof Coinage Of The 1950 To 1970 Era”, and sent a copy to David Hall, suggesting it might be time for PCGS to begin offering “Cameo” designations for their coins. Up until then, no such designation existed. David called me a week later. We had several meetings thereafter, establishing appropriate CAMEO and DEEP CAMEO standards for every series.
Warmest regards, Rick Tomaska
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<< <i>7. DCAM + (plus) Ultimate!! Very, very few pre-1972 proof coins exhibit this level of contrast. On a DCAM+ coin devices are intensely frosted, with little if any frost-break on both obverse and reverse. From this earlier era, only the very first strikes from a matching die pair that was perfectly prepared, ever display this level of contrast, and few dies of any year were prepared this perfectly. >>
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>7. DCAM + (plus) Ultimate!! Very, very few pre-1972 proof coins exhibit this level of contrast. On a DCAM+ coin devices are intensely frosted, with little if any frost-break on both obverse and reverse. From this earlier era, only the very first strikes from a matching die pair that was perfectly prepared, ever display this level of contrast, and few dies of any year were prepared this perfectly. >>
Russ, NCNE >>
OMG! A real First Strike™!!!
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Your 64 qualifies as DCAM +.....why no accented hair?????
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<< <i>Russ,
Your 64 qualifies as DCAM +.....why no accented hair?????
Because it's not. It does not exhibit the extra hairlines that form a "V" or some say a "W" over the ear. Another easy way to tell is that one of the lower edges of the "I" in LIBERTY is missing, lower left if I'm not mistaken. also, somewhat harder to tell, but it's there is on the reverse. The Sheild on the Eagle is quite porous. Anyone else have any designators they use?
The broken rays on the reverse are another clue.
Russ is the Accented Hair King, that's why I was ribbing him!
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I'm sure it sold for a lot more than I would consider it to be worth.
<< <i>Easy Russ - Remember - if that lasts more than 4 hours - call your physician
Way too late for that! I think he's been carrying one of those for years now! Locked and Loaded!
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<< <i>7. DCAM + (plus) Ultimate!! Very, very few pre-1972 proof coins exhibit this level of contrast. On a DCAM+ coin devices are intensely frosted, with little if any frost-break on both obverse and reverse. From this earlier era, only the very first strikes from a matching die pair that was perfectly prepared, ever display this level of contrast, and few dies of any year were prepared this perfectly. >>
Russ, NCNE >>
WOW!
I'm speechless.
<< <i>By todays PCGS standards that coin would only be a CAM because of the frost breaks on the reverse.
....i gotta agree with you Mr. Chicken
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<< <i>Need bigger pics... please! >>
Here you go:
Russ, NCNE >>
....nice spot there by the 9 !
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<< <i>7. DCAM + (plus) Ultimate!! Very, very few pre-1972 proof coins exhibit this level of contrast. On a DCAM+ coin devices are intensely frosted, with little if any frost-break on both obverse and reverse. From this earlier era, only the very first strikes from a matching die pair that was perfectly prepared, ever display this level of contrast, and few dies of any year were prepared this perfectly. >>
Russ, NCNE >>
jeezzus Russ ........ you make me