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coinguy1 · October 4, 2005 5:32AM

scam This same seller previously had two other rare gold coins listed, having misappropriated the images of the coins' true owner. After being alerted, (presumably) Ebay ended the listings for the other two coins, but did not NARU the seller.

The identical coin to the one linked above was sold in a legitimate public auction last year for $9000 plus. Yet, the Ebay seller is apparently willing to let it go for a fraction of its true worth, didn't know enough to make note of the fact that it's a High Relief, but did know enough to keep the identity of the bidders private so they can't be warned.

Unfortunately, I do not know the true current owner of the coin to be able to alert him, so that he can contact Ebay.

If you feel up to it, please join me in contacting the seller to let him/her know that people can get in serious trouble for doing what he/she is attempting. Please do not violate any Ebay policies in doing so, however.

relayer · October 4, 2005 5:36AM

All of the text of the auction listing just explains what a scam PayPal is

Russ · October 4, 2005 5:37AM

Apparently, this seller has a history of listing coins she doesn't own.

<< Has any one got their item???Lost contact with seller. >>

That's feedback for a 1909-S VDB.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · October 4, 2005 5:45AM

I'd bet this one is also bogus.

Russ, NCNE

ziggy29 · October 4, 2005 5:55AM

Too bad they can't even spell "PCGS" right. They'll lose a lot of hits by people searching for it.

And this? We do NOT accept Pay Pal Payments due to their BBB Report in just 36 months !!!!!

Translation: I'm trying to convince you that my lack of PayPal acceptance has nothing to do with this being a scam. Nope, nuh-uh, not at all. PayPal is the scam, not me. Whatever.

I'm surprised there's no excuse given for the private sale.

MORGANHUNTER2 · October 4, 2005 5:58AM

Well I'm gonna bid on the 1807- but where is the holder? Need to see the holder for authentication

Guess I'll ask that question now that I have bid on it.

Russ · October 4, 2005 5:59AM

This one sure responds to eMail quickly. I sent her this:

<< Many of us are aware that you do not own this coin. You have been reported to eBay for fraud. It would be in your own best interest to shut down this auction before the authorities do it for you. >>

Within minutes she came back with this:

<< BEING AS I HAVE THE COIN WHY WOULD I DO THAT??? ONLY ONE COIN WAS COMMING FROM A DROPSHIPPER AND THAT WAS REMOVED. >>

Note the all caps - yes, she's an AOL user.

I responded to that with this:

<< If you have the coin, then please scan it with a sticker with today's date and eMail me the image. >>

It'll be interesting to see her next response.

Russ, NCNE

itsnotjustme · October 4, 2005 5:59AM

Hows this////

I live near you and would like to pay for and pick up the item in person.

BTW, I will be wearing a black uniform with a badge when I arrive. My car is black and white.

coinguy1 · October 4, 2005 6:12AM

Here's the reply I received from her after I called her a liar for telling me she owned all of the coins she had listed, as I knew the true owner of two of them:

"the only LIAR here is YOU, You have only been on ebay a short while yet you want to slander myself and my coins. I guess this mistery man owns all my listings as well!!!!!!! well my lieing friend I have the exact coin listed so this make you the LIAR as i dont know you yet you claim to know the owner!!! Your claims have been forwarded to e-bay! under the harassment law, this means both and if you keep it up I will slap a law suit on you so fast for slander/ liable. Guess what, my boyfriend is an attorney and I will have him review your claims when her gets home tonight! Till them leave me ALONE!!!!!"

I guess she doesn't realize that it's "libel" not "liable" and that it's not either, when the other prerson is speaking the truth.

MORGANHUNTER2 · October 4, 2005 6:14AM

Question from killerherman
Item: 1807 $5 DRAPED AU 55 IN>>> NGC>>>> HOLDER (8340744484)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
killerherman is a bidder.

Is it possible for you to send a picture of this coin in the NGC holder along with it's cerification number.

I sent this just 30 seconds ago- let us see if she responds.

Russ · October 4, 2005 6:16AM

<< Guess what, my boyfriend is an attorney >>

Sure.

Russ, NCNE

coinguy1 · October 4, 2005 6:20AM

<< Is it possible for you to send a picture of this coin in the NGC holder along with it's cerification number. >>

That doesn't accomplish much, if anything, unfortunately. She has a history misappropriating images of coins in holders with their ID numbers too, as in the case of the High Relief currently listed.

MORGANHUNTER2 · October 4, 2005 6:45AM

I understand what you're saying Mark- but if she produces the cert- logically we might be able to see if NGC has a record as to who originally had it slabbed and when- may take awhile but who knows.

No response at this time. I see an ebayer possibly going crooked here shortly.

MacCrimmon · October 4, 2005 6:51AM

Any chance one of us could WIN, and get an address, and then notify the police and the US Postal Inspectors? Game?

Edited: This is the only way to truly shut these scammers down.

sinin1 · October 4, 2005 6:59AM

I wonder how many boyfriens she has - an attorney, and works for the Richmond police, at least

BlindedByEgo · October 4, 2005 7:01AM

Boy oh boy.

I registered here at CU just because of this subject!

There was at least one previous post on this specific seller. I have shared multiple emails back and forth with her - if anyone is interested, I will post them here.

I'm and old collector - hoarder :-); please be gentle with me - note that this is my first post.

Been lurking for a while, I feel like I know some of you already.

I've enjoyed the education thus far.

Keith

DickyBetz · October 4, 2005 7:02AM

<< Boy oh boy.

I registered here at CU just because of this subject!

There was at least one previous post on this specific seller. I have shared multiple emails back and forth with her - if anyone is interested, I will post them here.

I'm and old collector - hoarder :-); please be gentle with me - note that this is my first post.

Been lurking for a while, I feel like I know some of you already.

I've enjoyed the education thus far.

Keith >>

BlindedByEgo · October 4, 2005 7:05AM

Oh, and BTW, she previously emailed one of you and said that her BF was a cop...

Now he's an attorney.

Maybe she sleeps around?

coinguy1 · October 4, 2005 7:07AM

<< Any chance one of us could WIN, and get an address, and then notify the police and the US Postal Inspectors? Game? >>

I like that idea, but based upon my email exchange with her, I don't think I'm the one to do it.

<< I understand what you're saying Mark- but if she produces the cert- logically we might be able to see if NGC has a record as to who originally had it slabbed and when- may take awhile but who knows >>

Unless the original submitter currently owns the coin, that wont get us very far. Please don't get me wrong - I'm not at all opposed to people asking about things like that. However, I wouldn't want someone to think it was safe to bid on an item, just because the seller came up with an image of a holder and legitimate ID number.

<< please be gentle with me >>

Define "gentle"?

Welcome.

Russ · October 4, 2005 7:07AM

Fresh meat!

Russ, NCNE

poorguy · October 4, 2005 7:13AM

I wonder if she would reply to my emails.

BlindedByEgo · October 4, 2005 7:21AM

I don't know Russ well enough to poke at him, but it does remind me of the schoolyard 35 years ago...

This issue of "dropshippers" is gonna kill Ebay, IMO. Hard enough to keep one seller accountable, but now they can blame a third party?

The only way I'd do anything over $500.00 on Ebay would be with Escrow.

And what is with this womans' spelling? She needs to lay off the crank pipe for awhile.

IMHO

2bucks · October 4, 2005 7:22AM

I just sent this message...

Hello - I would like to bid on your coin, but need proof you own the coin and it is in your possession. How can you do this?? I guess the simplest way is by sending me several scanned or photographed images with dates and times. If you can think of a better way, that's fine. I'm not trying to be a pain, but I like the coin and have seen many scams. I've actually had to take someone to court before. It was not fun. Anyway - Thanks in advance!

PMBCoinandMetals · October 4, 2005 7:23AM

I sell on eBay and Yahoo and I think she looks a bit dirty.... Granted some peopel do not like me here in this forum.... I am a gem compared to this lady..

wjd283 · October 4, 2005 7:24AM

If you can't afford to bid on her St Gaudens,she has this "rare" 1956D wheaty for $9.99 + $5 S&H.

"Rare"

This person has'nt a clue.

Russ · October 4, 2005 7:26AM

Strangely, even though she responded immediately to my first eMail, she has not yet responded to my request for a dated image.

Russ, NCNE

BlindedByEgo · October 4, 2005 7:31AM

A couple of witty exchanges with our erstwhile seller:

Hi Marla,

"Every other" coin that you have sold "for him" hasn't
been a high end ($10,000.00+) coin sold at $9.99
starting price with no reserve, either!

And yes, some of the "dropshipper" setups are just
that - setups - scams!

You've only been selling since May 2005, so I don't
look at you as having a great deal of experience in
being "set-up" yourself.

I sent you a link to Coin Universe yesterday, where
they were intrigued by your auctions :-)

By the way, the actual Ebay listing number for the
1813 $5 Gold you had listed was 8326505318 - it's
still an active "Buy it Now" listing. So much for the
"dropshipper" actually having the coin - it belongs to
Anaconda!

Will you actually look?

Keith

her reply
Sure I will look, not a problem

ANOTHER GEM:

Marla,

I'll ask again - do you have the high end coins that
you are auctioning in your hands? (you previously said
that you didn't, that they were coming from a
"dropshipper").

The "dropshipper" is giving you information on coins
owned by other people.

I believe that s/he is running a scam.

Is THAT clear enough?

Keith

her replies

No Keith it isnt "CLEAR ENOUGH" being as every other coin that I have sold he has delivered. That what "DROPSHIPPERS" do. over 75% of the members dont have an item in their hands either.....are they running scams as well???????????

How do you figure the coins listed belongs to other people??? Every coin I have listed he has verified that he DOES HAVE

And finally,

Sorry... didn't really expect you to be. It's just
that you responded to my first message so quickly.

Look - I'm pretty sure that you are not intentionally
involved in running a scam- but why, if you don't have
the coin in hand, do you not cancel this auction?

It is apparent that your "dropshipper" IS running a
scam, so why be a party to it - especially when you
have now been made aware of the scam and could be
considered to be complicit?

Keith

her reply

Keith, what scam are you talking about !!!!!!!!!!! Nobody is running a scam !!!! Hell I even stopped 2 of my auctions today to relist cause I listed the incorrect photo

Sorry, sort of reverse order... figure it out if you want to.

xbob · October 4, 2005 7:32AM

Geez! Why do people bid with sellers like this without even looking at feedback. First page, 2 negs. One for what the buyer has ID'd as a fake gold chain.

Title: " 14 k *** GOLD **** 30 INCH CHAIN NECKLESS !!! Item number: 5027746262 "

"Neckless". Now that's funny.

Where's our forum phantom high bidders to take these coin auctions sky high? Ha!

DickyBetz · October 4, 2005 7:36AM

<< Where's our forum phantom high bidders to take these coin auctions sky high? Ha! >>

Russ · October 4, 2005 7:44AM

Well, she responded to my request:

<< First off I dont know who you think you are !!! I dont have to prove ANYTHING to you. Normally this wouldn't be a problem however being as your not the one bidding on it, and basically called me a thief & liar im not even going to waist my time when i dont have to! >>

To which I responded:

<< I knew that would be your response. You have just proven that you do not own this coin. Interstate fraud is a Federal offense. You'd better stock up on cigarettes because you're going to jail. >>

Russ, NCNE

Smittys · October 4, 2005 7:45AM

<< waist my time >>

Russ · October 4, 2005 7:56AM

This is fun!

<< LOOK YOU BROKE JOKE, THE ONLY PERSON THAT IS GOING TO JAIL IS YOUR PATHETIC SELF!! YOUR A JOKE AND CANT AFFORD THE COIN ANYWAY SO INSTEAD OF HARRASSING ME GO GET A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!1 >>

My response:

<< Your new cell mate, Big Bertha, will have a lot of fun with you. >>

Russ, NCNE

BlindedByEgo · October 4, 2005 7:58AM

<< First off I dont know who you think you are !!! I dont have to prove ANYTHING to you...>>

Poor, misguided future Federal trustee... Unfortunately for her, Ebay IS after all a community, and she does owe proof to that community. Even if it is a community with a few felonious denizens.

I love to watch the bugs scatter under the light.

Bochiman · October 4, 2005 8:22AM

<< Here's the reply I received from her after I called her a liar for telling me she owned all of the coins she had listed, as I knew the true owner of two of them:

"the only LIAR here is YOU, You have only been on ebay a short while yet you want to slander myself and my coins. I guess this mistery man owns all my listings as well!!!!!!! well my lieing friend I have the exact coin listed so this make you the LIAR as i dont know you yet you claim to know the owner!!! Your claims have been forwarded to e-bay! under the harassment law, this means both and if you keep it up I will slap a law suit on you so fast for slander/ liable. Guess what, my boyfriend is an attorney and I will have him review your claims when her gets home tonight! Till them leave me ALONE!!!!!"

I guess she doesn't realize that it's "libel" not "liable" and that it's not either, when the other prerson is speaking the truth.

>>

Mark,
You should ask her to have her boyfriend contact you to see if you went to the same law school

Bochiman · October 4, 2005 8:28AM

<< I don't know Russ well enough to poke at him, but it does remind me of the schoolyard 35 years ago...

This issue of "dropshippers" is gonna kill Ebay, IMO. Hard enough to keep one seller accountable, but now they can blame a third party?

The only way I'd do anything over $500.00 on Ebay would be with Escrow.

And what is with this womans' spelling? She needs to lay off the crank pipe for awhile.

IMHO >>

Welcome aboard Keith

Finally a "new" person who has a sense of humor and doesn't just assume the worst or go off half-baked with an attitude

Yes, it is like a schoolyard at times. The thing to do is to find out who is joking around (probably 85%+ of the people) and who the bullies or worse are.
To each their own and may you have good times on the forum.

Ron

raycyca · October 4, 2005 8:42AM

Item/person has been reported, probably AGIAN! Ray

RYK · October 4, 2005 9:12AM

Her spelling is horrible. She should join the forum.

UncleWiggly · October 4, 2005 9:24AM

<< Any chance one of us could WIN, and get an address, and then notify the police and the US Postal Inspectors? Game?

Edited: This is the only way to truly shut these scammers down. >>

(I have their address. I know where their house is. I've seen their house.)* I've met Marla in person. I've met with the police........Can anybody verify the following. Right outside Rochester NY there is a small town called Greece. Marla told me the coins came from her grandfather's coin "shop" called Jimmy's rare collectibles. I've called dealers up in that area and NO one has ever heard of this place. Michael, you're from Rochester aren't you? Ever hear of this place?

Jerry

* Could have changed by now.

roadrunner · October 4, 2005 9:25AM

Funny that her boy friend is an attorney. She'd probably keel over too if she knew Coinguy1 was also an attorney!

roadrunner

BlindedByEgo · October 4, 2005 9:25AM

Thanks, Ron.

I'm glad that you said "sense of humor" and not "good sense of humor"... I hope that I'll be able to become a contributing member of this group - I do truly love coins and look forward to sharing some of my collection with y'all.

I'm pretty secure in my bank account, sorry, I mean manhood, not to let a few bullies push me around. I tend to buy my competition.

Again, I appreciate the warm welcome.

coinguy1 · October 4, 2005 9:44AM

<< Can anybody verify the following. Right outside Rochester NY there is a small town called Greece. Marla told me the coins came from her grandfather's coin "shop" called Jimmy's rare collectibles. I've called dealers up in that area and NO one has ever heard of this place. Michael, you're from Rochester aren't you? Ever hear of this place? >>

Jerry, please don't waste any time or effort - even if there is such a "shop", we already know that she is a liar.

Numismanic · October 4, 2005 9:54AM

I like what she just added to her listing.

<< Their is alot of controversy about this coin so this is what im going to do.... i will offer a full refund of 30 DAYS if the coin pictured isnt the coin that you receive.

It seems like there are alot of angry people out there that obviously cant afford it so they decide to harass me via e-mail. All of them have been reported and several of them are going to be removed by e-bay in the morning as I have had constant contact with e-bay about them >>

TwoSides2aCoin · October 4, 2005 9:56AM

I bid on her 1813 Bust Half Eagle.... I even asked if she would consider selling it outright and taking it off of auction, which she was, but then when I asked for the PCGS certification verification number, the emails stopped

. And all I wanted was that MS63 for a couple hundred. ( CV=20 grand ).

How goes the old saying? : If something seems too good to be true, it probably is .

Remember, if you want to find a treasure, EBAY is not the place....one needs a metal detector.

UncleWiggly · October 4, 2005 10:02AM

<< I sell on eBay and Yahoo and I think she looks a bit dirty.... Granted some peopel do not like me here in this forum.... I am a gem compared to this lady.. >>

There's nothing wrong with you. Oh by the way, WELCOME!!!!!!!

Jerry

Djord · October 4, 2005 10:09AM

What about contacting PCGS and ask them to contact the owner of the coin if it is registered.
Or if it is stolen PCGS is a good place to start.
Either way 42 sales with 2 neg, is not horrific. Now if she really does not own the gold coin she is currently selling,
that is fraud and could be a big problem for her!

Russ · October 4, 2005 10:19AM

<< Either way 42 sales with 2 neg, is not horrific. >>

She also has two neutrals that should have been negatives. Both were for non-delivery.

Russ, NCNE

zkcoins · October 4, 2005 10:58AM

<< 

<< Either way 42 sales with 2 neg, is not horrific. >>

She also has two neutrals that should have been negatives. Both were for non-delivery.

Russ, NCNE >>

Personally I think it stinks! A 95% feedback rating is enough to keep me away for a deal as cheap as $20!!!

Especially since those feedbacks were all for non-delivery or fake items!!

Zach

RYK · October 4, 2005 11:02AM

What's the over-under (or before-after) as to when the auction gets pulled?

Russ · October 4, 2005 11:06AM

<< What's the over-under (or before-after) as to when the auction gets pulled? >>

Didn't you read the revision? The auction isn't getting pulled, we are - tomorrow morning.

Russ, NCNE

zkcoins · October 4, 2005 11:07AM

<< if you have NO FEEBACK or LESS THEN 45 dont bother bidding as it will be removed. Thank you in advance for your prompt attention to this matter >>

This is at the bottom of her listing!!!! Correct me if I am wrong.....but isn't zero already below 45???

zkcoins · October 4, 2005 11:07AM

<< 

<< What's the over-under (or before-after) as to when the auction gets pulled? >>

Didn't you read the revision? The auction isn't getting pulled, we are - tomorrow morning.

Russ, NCNE >>

Nothing like fresh NARU in the mornin'

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