Info on Ike Dollar Die Variety RDV-006

SemperFI · September 13, 2004 4:37AM

Edited:

RDV-006 is very hard to find and is very rare at this time as only a handfull have been found. So far I have found two in MS65.

Here are some images of my coins to compare the differences:

1971-D MS65 RDV006 (TYPE 2)

1971-D RDV006 ERRORSCOPE Magazine

1971-D PCGS MS66 RDV001 (TYPE 1 - NORMAL)

Rampage · September 13, 2004 9:54AM

Interesting. That gives me something else to look for now.

Good pictures by the way.

Bikingnut · September 13, 2004 9:56AM

Here's the link.

Coneca

SemperFI · September 13, 2004 10:01AM

Thanks. But it is not in the CONECA files.

Still searching....

SemperFI · September 13, 2004 1:25PM

TTT

SemperFI · September 14, 2004 2:55AM

Trooper · September 14, 2004 3:23AM

Semp
Found one just like it myself in my spares. It would be nice to find out also anything about them.

Tom

SemperFI · September 14, 2004 3:41AM

Trooper,

What is it's overall condition? Did you find it because of this thread or did you know about it before?

Trooper · September 14, 2004 3:47AM

Semp
I'd have to go low ms on the coin. I never knew about the rev until you posted. It definately has the same "moon" as in your pic. I just happen to have some of my Ikes out and took a look. My camera is lousy at zooming.
Interesting find. I'll go through the rest of my Ikes to see if anything else matches.

Tom

SemperFI · September 14, 2004 4:38PM

Rampage · September 15, 2004 6:49AM

SemperFi, how did the RDV-006 come up? In other words, how did you find that?

I went to my local dealer today and searched through about 2,000 IKEs because of this thread. About 500 or the coins were 1971-D IKEs of which 4 were of this variety. I bought all four. I may have looked over one or two more of them, but it took me three hours to go through all of them. In searching for this, I found a 1974-D peg leg, 2 1972-D peg legs and a 1972-P peg leg. The 72P is one I never heard mentioned so I don't know if it is widely known.

I am going to start a new thread on my finds in a few minutes.

Richard.

SemperFI · September 15, 2004 10:44AM

Rampage,

That is awsome. I got a hold of James Wiles, Ike guru, and sent him this link with a couple of question about the variety. He has only seen ten of this variety so far. This variety was featured in the Nov/Dec 1999 of ErrorScope. I ordered the back issue so when I get it I will scan the article in and post it here.

The coins you did find, what are their conditions? Are they very baggy or are they MS? Good FINDS!!!

SemperFI · November 21, 2004 7:01AM

TTT

LanLord · November 21, 2004 7:44AM

Just another reason to search through the stacks of Ikes. Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Ikes are getting to be more and more fun to search through.

Rampage · November 21, 2004 10:06AM

<< <i>Rampage,

That is awsome. I got a hold of James Wiles, Ike guru, and sent him this link with a couple of question about the variety. He has only seen ten of this variety so far. This variety was featured in the Nov/Dec 1999 of ErrorScope. I ordered the back issue so when I get it I will scan the article in and post it here.

The coins you did find, what are their conditions? Are they very baggy or are they MS? Good FINDS!!! >>

I now have a total of 9 of this variety.

Seven are uncs and the other two are AUs. UNCs range in grade from MS63 to MS65.

EDITED: Thought I only had 6, but had nine total. Just put them in 2X2s and labeled the variety.

SemperFI · November 21, 2004 10:28AM

Maybe if we find enough of these, we can finally get someone to attribute them as a either RDV006 or a 1971-D Type 2.

Rampage · November 21, 2004 10:57AM

Matt,

Have you inquired about having the attributed from ANACS? I wonder if they would. After looking at the group I have, and comparing them, to the pictures in the ErrorScope mag, this is a pretty significant variety in my opinion. Maybe not to the scale of the Type 2 1972-Ps, but significant nonetheless.

I wonder how many of these are in existence and if the popularity would pick up once the variety gets a bit of publicity.

We need some of the expert IKE guys to post to this thread.

jtwax · November 21, 2004 1:23PM

<< <i>Maybe if we find enough of these, we can finally get someone to attribute them as a either RDV006 or a 1971-D Type 2.

>>

SEGS will no problem.

Gandyjai · November 25, 2004 9:16PM

SemperFI,
Great post and pics!

Seems like a legit variety to me. I think PCGS might be looking for more varieties to add besides
the 71-S Peg Leg....This RDV-006 seems like a very good candidate. ANACS recognition might be a good place to start.
I like the fact that you have to look in the same area as you do for the Type 2 72-P. It also seems
to be glaring enough to be seen with the naked eye.

Richard,
Great finds and pics as well! Especially the 72-P

What variety is it?

jmccarthy1983 · November 25, 2004 9:31PM

I understand this isnt the coin, but is this what it looks like on your 71-d?

Rampage · November 25, 2004 9:35PM

<< <i>Richard, Great finds and pics as well! Especially the 72-P

What variety is it? >>

Thanks.

The 1972-P is a type 1. Actually, last night I was looking through a stack of mint sets I had stored away and found a 1974D Peg Leg.

I would grade it MS65. This goes to show everyone--Nice varieties are out there to be cherrypicked-even in your own collection!

I am actually quite anxious for the 1971D attribution to begin. Every 1971D I look at I look for this variety. I was lucky the oine time and that was it, so far.......

Rampage · November 25, 2004 9:37PM

<< <i>I understand this isnt the coin, but is this what it looks like on your 71-d? >>

Sorry, the picture is a little distorted in order to tell. Can you clean it up a bit?

Rampage · November 27, 2004 8:33AM

ttt

SemperFI · November 29, 2004 11:37AM

Lucky day today!

I was looking through some 1971-D rolls and found 5 RDV-006's! Two are MS65 candidates, two are MS64's and the other may get MS62/63.

Also in the rolls I found 1 MS66 normal reverse and one DDR that I do not see in my book. It is not the same as the DDR-001. I am having my doubts but I think it may be strike doubling but it is hard to tell on this one. There is doubling on the Eagle's legs, wing tips, tail feathers, most of the stars, lettering on ONE DOLLAR and UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Even if it is a DDR, it is not a major one but still cool to find.

Rampage · November 29, 2004 10:09PM

Congratulations! How many rolls did you search.

DRG found 15 out of 900 coins he looked through! I am confident that this should be attributed by PCGS as Type 2.

SemperFI · November 30, 2004 12:38AM

Rampage,

The five I found were from one roll. The other roll had none. It was a good roll.

I now have a total of seven of these.

Keep a good count of what you have to keep track of a rough population of these and how may coins it took you to find them. Have fun.

Gandyjai · December 23, 2004 11:40AM

Hi Iksters!

OK,.....I know it's been awhile,....but I FINALLY got around to going through some of my 71-D's.
I haven't dug through the rolls yet, but I went through all my slabbed ones and a batch of about 40
High-end ones that I was saving for a possible bulk batch.
I found (2) RDV-006 Ikes. I was pretty tickled about that! But,.........
I also found (4) clashed dies! I had never heard of them until I picked one up on eBay awhile back. They
are pretty easy to spot with a talon showing in the middle of Ike's forehead. One of the 4 had two talons
showing on the forehead and also was showing the clashed die on the reverse (mostly the top of Ike's head
along the top of DOLLAR...probably an earlier die state).

Can any one tell me more about this known clashed die?

Have A Safe Holiday Season!
Brian

SemperFI · December 23, 2004 11:46AM

Were the Clashed Dies on the RDV006? I found a clash die on a 71D recently where it showed only a feather of the tail on Ikes forehead but no Ike on the Rev. If you have nice Clashed Die that is really detailed, definitly worth some money. What does it grade?

TWODOGS · December 23, 2004 1:20PM

HAH! I just went through the 5 mixed rolls I have sitting here and found one of the 71-D's mentioned. Not quite Unc., though.

Gandyjai · December 23, 2004 1:42PM

No,...the clashed dies were not on the RDV-006. The talon looks like it is coming
out of Ikes temple. The one with 2 talons is the only one that exhibits anything on the
reverse. The top of Ikes head goes clear accross Dollar and his neckline (under his jaw)
is also visible between the Earth up to the U in UNUM. It's going in for grading....I'll let
you know how it does. (Should not be less than 65!)
The only other obverse and reverse clashed die Ike I have found was a pretty strong clashed
76-D Type 2. I actually thought it was a flip-over, but PCGS says clashed. I think that one is
in my error Ike set.

Brian

SemperFI · December 23, 2004 4:15PM

That is really cool about the Clashed Ike! Can you post a pic of it? Would be really cool to see. Would be really cool if it was an MS66. I hope it takes less than three months to get it back from PCGS.

bushmaster8 · January 22, 2005 11:12AM

I have looked high and low for these RDV-006 for a few months and only found three nice examples.

Got em back as MS64, 65, and 66

SemperFI · January 22, 2005 11:45AM

Who did you send them too? ANACS? I just sent 8 examples to ANACS. With the deployment looming, I may not even see them until I get back from the zone. I will definitely post my grades when I get them.

bushmaster8 · January 22, 2005 12:55PM

They are PCGS graded...sans designation of course.

Rampage · September 28, 2005 8:56PM

SemperFI · August 14, 2006 2:05AM

Well, I am home now and am visiting family in Philadelphia. I finally got a chance to see my ANACS submissions this morning that I sent in early 2005 before I went overseas. Well, I am disappointed in ANACS due to the inconsistancy in labelling the slabs. I thought they were going to label the 1971D RDV006 with Type 1 and Type 2 or at least the RDV# but all I got were regular labels for regular coins.

I also submitted some other Ike errors such as the many double die varieties. Some were labelled DDO## / DDR## and others were just labelled double die obv/rev without the number. Does this mean they did not want to research the number?

I noticed that PCGS is now attributing varieties but all I see are Morgan and Peace Dollars listed. Anyone know if they will attribute the 1971D RDV-006? I think they should as I feel it is a rare variety hard to find in high grades.

Well, here are the grades I got back. All MS coins seemed to have develope a nice thin blue/grey/purple ring tone in these holders. They were stored in an attic in a rubbermaid bin with styrofoam peanuts in Philadelphia.

1971-D RDV-001 (Type 1)
1 MS66
4 MS64
1 MS63 (weaker strike but should have been at least a 64 as it is flawless)

1971-D RDV-006 (Type 2)
1 MS65
6 MS64 (One has complete teal/blue toning on reverse prior to submission)
1 ms63 (66 rev - 63/64 obv)

Other ANACS coins back in the same batch:

1971-S PR65 DCAM PEG LEG
1971-S PR67 DCAM DDO/DDR
1971-S PR68 DCAM DDR / PEG LEG

1971-S MS65 DDO (which one...they did not put the number down)
1971-S MS65 DDO (SAME HERE)
1971-S MS65 DDO-006
1971-S MS65 DDO-004/DDR-021

1972-S MS65 (I think this was a regrade but I do not know where the copy of the submission is)

1955 PR65 DDO DIE 1 Franklin Half

19Lyds · August 14, 2006 2:42AM

Welcome back SemperFi!

PCGS is still not attributing any IKE varieties other than the Type 1, 2, and 3 1972's as of today. However, they are continuing to promise some attributions in the near future.

MrEureka · September 2, 2006 8:39AM

cool info

time to sort my hoard

will report back

Rampage · September 2, 2006 10:33AM

Sorry I missed the bump the first time around. Not a bad submission there. I think the results are pretty good. ANACS would have corrected the error, but you may have run out of time for the correction.

Welcome back home.

19Lyds · December 2, 2008 1:07PM

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