Accolades to the balled.

ANACONDA · June 16, 2003 12:49PM

You've got to hand it to the owners of NGC/NCS in their courage to come up with NCS.

It certainly is controversial. Like capital punishment, you either abhor it or think it's the finest thing since sliced bread.

And, the point of this comment is not whether it's good or bad (i fear the inevitable theme of this thread...) but that the owners could really have been castigated and shunned by we the collecting fraternity for de-nuding coins of their "protective patina".

And, interestingly enough, while i may need to get out more, i have not heard even one coin owner complain about what a bad job NCS has done on even one coin.

(I must, though, confess, that someone at NGC recommended NCeSssing a raw P.T. Barnum Commem that was eventually sold by yours truly for something around 10 times sheet for it's incredible color and a coin which i woud buy back for 90% of what i sold it for.)

adrian

Louis · June 16, 2003 12:57PM

Beautiful coin Anaconda...I like em original and never would use a service like NCS provides...

jbsteven · June 16, 2003 12:59PM

Adrian

good to see you around more, kinda missed you dude, please stay a while

ANACONDA · June 16, 2003 12:59PM

Welcome to the boards, Louis!

bizzarri · June 16, 2003 1:03PM

Someone on these boards recommended that coins should "only be cleaned with compressed air" - which was the first rational remark I've heard about cleaning.

It's like a lot of things like religion or magazines- you either subscribe to it or you don't. There isn't any middle ground.

Louis · June 16, 2003 1:04PM

Thanks for the welcome...It's my first day on the boards, but I've been watching your auctions on e-bay for a while and admiring your coins. I remember one a couple of weeks ago that I regret letting get away. It was an anaconda toned MS64 Sesquicentennial half.

boz · June 16, 2003 1:06PM

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Proves your point, but doesn't negate theirs. Real nice looking coin. can't see why anyone would want to "conserve" it.

Cam40 · June 16, 2003 1:09PM

Someone posted his before and after pics of a carver commem that looked like it was killed by NCS.
The request was to remove the ugly black periphery toning.
They removed it for the most part,along with any remainly luster it had.
That seemed bad to me be its what was requested I guess.

Ah B.T. Barnum `Theres a new sucker born every minute`
He was right and became extremely wealthy from that idea didnt he.

NumisEd · June 16, 2003 1:10PM

i am balled and bald.

GaCoinGuy · June 16, 2003 1:15PM

If you use regular compressor-typed air, make sure to have some sort of filtration on it, because you do get trace amounts of oils and moisture in the air

joejeweler · June 16, 2003 1:20PM

Hehehe.....but hopefully NOT in the same area!

Ok....i know......."bite me"! Now you don't have to say it.......

numisEd quote:

<< <i>i am balled and bald. >>

Tonekiller · June 16, 2003 1:25PM

Great coin. The guy who sold it to you is great also.

joejeweler · June 16, 2003 1:35PM

Ditto that, TBT!

<< <i>Great coin. The guy who sold it to you is great also.

>>

LincolnCentMan · June 16, 2003 1:38PM

I was at a show this weekend. I heard a dealer talking to another dealer about techniques he uses to clean coins. The guy said that no one could tell that he cleans his coins. The interesting thing is that I was over at that guys table about an hour before. He handed me a Lincoln cent set in a dansco. Of the pre-1930 coins, there were only two coins that werent cleaned or dipped. The guy seemed so proud and quoted me $4000+ for the set, and I didnt even ask for a price. I wouldnt have paid $200 for it (No SVDB or 22-Pl, and the 14-D was bad). I just smiled and handed it back to him and said, "I dont think this set is for me."

I told the dealer after he left to disreguard what ever the guy said about cleaning coins. The other dealer smiled and said, "Yah, I know, I was over there earlier. I bought this from him," handing me a pretty nice early MS Walker. He said, "It was the only thing I could find that was decent. I showed it to another dealer, and he asked where I got it. When I told him he kind of laughed and said, 'That's probably the only coin he has that he didnt clean.'"

Geez, I wonder how many thousands of coins that guy's ruined. And the really bad part is, he thinks no one can tell.

Maybe he should invest in some NCS.

David

NumisEd · June 16, 2003 1:41PM

David, that's a sad story. You are depressing me.

tradedollarnut · June 16, 2003 2:48PM

And, interestingly enough, while i may need to get out more, i have not heard even one coin owner complain about what a bad job NCS has done on even one coin.

I have used NCS for three coins. Two were ruined and the third upgraded. Even though I used the grade guarantee, I lost thousands on the two bad coins - who wants a washed out, maxed out coin? I had to wholesale them off at a significant loss.

Be very careful in deciding to NCS a coin. Even with the grade guarantee you are risking a significant portion of the net value of the coin!

RNCHSN · June 16, 2003 3:00PM

Nice Bridgeport Commem! I have a similar, if a bit darker San Diego I picked up a week ago at a local auction.

ohbaby · June 16, 2003 3:17PM

Conserving is great for PVC damaged coins, ugly toned coins, coins with problem stains, etc. where they would never fetch any kind of real value if left alone. The "risk" is small.

To think that Barnum comem needed such a service is way over the top.

To better understand conservation just go to Europe. See all those pretty cathedrals, castles, roman arches? You guessed it, all conserved at one time or another. If they weren't they then you would have McDonald's and Walmarts even more all over the landscape.

ANACONDA · June 16, 2003 11:41PM

"I have used NCS for three coins. Two were ruined and the third upgraded. Even though I used the grade guarantee, I lost thousands on the two bad coins - who wants a washed out, maxed out coin? I had to wholesale them off at a significant loss."

That is very sad to hear. I would indeed be reluctant to submit any coin to anyone for the purpose of conservation.

I often think how lucky i am to be able to not see the potential in coins. When i look at any coin, i never think "boy, that sure might look better in a different holder" or "...without that spot." I always look at coins as static things, unchanging. If i like a coin, i buy it. It it needs something, i pass.

But, i do understand the thoughts of a collector....the inner quest to do the world and possibly themselves a favor by taking something and making it better especially something rare and desirable.

....

Hey jbsteven. Missed you at Grapevine. Good show. I've been quiet lately. Had my boy who rekindled his coin interests while he was with me. He set up at Grapevine with me. He made some money so now he is hooked! .....and ......sometimes i feel like positng, and sometimes the world needs no adrian. An occasional break from me is always good for everyone.

adrian

topstuf · June 17, 2003 12:13AM

Possibly the suggestion was in the spirit of P. T. Barnum ???????

Dog97 · June 17, 2003 12:33AM

Hey if NCS can make that thing look like a brand new coin I'll send them all my coins!
I thought NCS was for conserving damaged coins & preventing further damage. Like maybe for example if your house burns down they remove the black melted holders from your coin so they are coins again, pvc damage etc. From what I read on here & the NGC board they mostly perform coin doctor duties like cosmectically improving a coins saleability & marketablity by removing unsightly spots, ugly toning etc or just removing the ugly from a coin.

Lakesammman · June 17, 2003 12:43AM

Agree with with all. No reason to screw up an original coin. Problem coins are another matter. Have sent in a few with problems (PVC and "active" spots, primarily) and they did a good job on them. No reason to let a coin deteriorate further.

Accolades to the balled.

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