New Die Marriage of 1835 Half-Dime Discovered!

FEVER · February 12, 2007 1:27PM

I am pleased to announce to the numismatic community the discovery of a PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN CAPPED BUST HALF DIME DIE MARRIAGE FOR 1835! I discovered this piece approximately a week ago, and after a few hours under the stereomicroscope I sent my findings, up to that point, along with images to Brad Karoleff, Dr. Glenn Peterson, Stephen Crain and others for backup verification.

The new discovery piece (LM-12) is of the Small Date style - Obverse #4 of 1835 - and mated with Reverse JJ (narrow elongated dentil style) of 1836.

A couple of days ago I sent the final draft for an article - with full details and photos - to Brad Karoleff for inclusion in the next issue of the JRCS Journal.

Edgar Souders

BHNC #139 JRCS#157 MSNS, etc.

(Author of Bust Half Fever, The Top 100 R4 & R5 Capped Bust Half Dollars, The Digital RAG, etc.)

Barndog · February 12, 2007 1:33PM

nuclear first post!

Here's link to more details, including photos: Half Dime Forum

RichieURich · February 12, 2007 1:33PM

CONGRATULATIONS, Edgar and welcome to the forums!

NumisOxide · February 12, 2007 1:35PM

Congrats &

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Barndog · February 12, 2007 10:28PM

for the morning crowd...

numisma · February 12, 2007 11:33PM

Cool! The new discovery is cool, but so is the fact that Edgar Souders has joined the forum. Talk about having some real experts here!

MrHalfDime · February 12, 2007 11:36PM

This is truly significant news in the field of die marriage collecting of the early Federal coinage. Two new die marriages of Bust coinage discovered in the same week!! (1835 LM-12 half dime and 1806 O-130 half dollar). I don't recall that ever happening before. This is the first new die marriage for the baby busties in more than a dozen years, and the first since the publication of "Federal Half Dimes 1792 - 1837" by Russ Logan and John McCloskey in 1998. Coincidentally (and fortunately) it appears that the new die marriage, which of necessity must be numbered sequentially as LM-12, does not violate the LM numbering sequence, which also denotes the emission sequence (LM-12 was minted after LM-11, which in turn was minted after LM-10, etc.). From a detailed study of the discovery coin, it appears that it was minted using two previously known dies, late in their life. Although the coin is dated 1835, it appears that it was actually minted in 1836, after the 1835 LM-8 and also after the 1836 LM-7.

While this is truly spectacular news, it is met with somewhat mixed emotions by those of us who were 'complete' (91 of 91 known die marriages) just one short week ago. At least we now have something new to look for.

Cladiator · February 13, 2007 12:06AM

There's not much more I can add to this thread other than to congratulate again Mr. Souders on a magnificent discovery

Welcome to the forums FEVER, I think you'll find this place full of good people and information.

STONE · February 13, 2007 12:09AM

Same as Cladiator. This is an awesome find for the half-dime community and will be given the credit it deserves.

Once again, congrats on the find Fever.

Cladiator · February 13, 2007 12:14AM

Here is the 1835 LM12 Discovery Coin.

(photos from FEVER at the Half Dime Forum)

richardshipp · February 13, 2007 12:17AM

Welcome to the forum with the best "first post" I've ever seen. Congratulations on the find.

goose3 · February 13, 2007 12:19AM

Congrats...

Now that's the way to start posting on here!

Is it safe to say Barndog now needs 2 coins?

kranky · February 13, 2007 12:30AM

Congrats on your discovery, and welcome to the boards! First new die marriage discovered in nearly ten years - that's really something. Who knows if it was the last one out there yet to be noticed!

Barndog · February 13, 2007 12:57AM

<< Congrats...

Now that's the way to start posting on here!

Is it safe to say Barndog now needs 2 coins?

>>

correct: two coins to have all 92 die marriages (missing the newest discovery plus the 1833 LM-5/V-10). I also need three additional coins to have examples of each remarriage: 1829 LM-6.1, 1832 LM-9.2, and 1833 LM-3.5. I hope I have forty or so more years to look for them!

IGWT · February 13, 2007 1:28AM

Congratulations on the discovery! Variety collectors are happily condemned to the fate of Sisyphus.

Barndog · February 13, 2007 1:31AM

<< Congratulations on the discovery! Variety collectors are happily condemned to the fate of Sisyphus. >>

much better than filling holes in an album!

Cladiator · February 13, 2007 1:33AM

<< 

<< Congratulations on the discovery! Variety collectors are happily condemned to the fate of Sisyphus. >>

much better than filling holes in an album! >>

Somebody should make a quality album for the 123 marriages and re-marriages of the CBH10¢. I'd buy one.

Barndog · February 13, 2007 1:35AM

<< 

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<< Congratulations on the discovery! Variety collectors are happily condemned to the fate of Sisyphus. >>

much better than filling holes in an album! >>

Somebody should make a quality album for the 123 marriages and re-marriages of the CBH10¢. I'd buy one. >>

remember that there is a collector out there who says there is a third remarriage for the 1830 LM-1. No confirmation yet -- could get us to 124.

Cladiator · February 13, 2007 1:36AM

<< 

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<< 

<< Congratulations on the discovery! Variety collectors are happily condemned to the fate of Sisyphus. >>

much better than filling holes in an album! >>

Somebody should make a quality album for the 123 marriages and re-marriages of the CBH10¢. I'd buy one. >>

remember that there is a collector out there who says there is a third remarriage for the 1830 LM-1. No confirmation yet -- could get us to 124. >>

Oy. By the time I'm near completion there will probably be 132

numisma · February 13, 2007 2:35AM

Oy. By the time I'm near completion there will probably be 132

That's easy. Just make the album with a few extra slots for future discovery coins.

Nysoto · February 13, 2007 2:37AM

Congratulations Edgar! A monumental event for the bust coin community from a great numismatist!

IGWT · February 13, 2007 8:32AM

<< 

<< Congratulations on the discovery! Variety collectors are happily condemned to the fate of Sisyphus. >>

much better than filling holes in an album! >>

Notice I said "happily." I like rolling the rock, too, even if it's up a different mountain.

Baley · February 13, 2007 9:32AM

oh my oh my! is this discovery month or what?

New Die Marriage of 1835 Half-Dime Discovered!

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