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Does anyone have any stories/experiences with "Whale" collectors? If so tell us.........

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,587 ✭✭✭✭✭
.........the details.

By "Whale" (or Elephant) I mean a person who has such large amounts of discretionary money that he or she is not concerned with the price of a coin and instead is interested only in acquiring the finest coin(s) in the area he or she is interested in (i.e. US Classic Proof Gold). The Whale may be a novice or an experience collector.

I suspect that Whale collectors can be persons who:

a. take an interest in the hobby and collect intensely for a period of time, grow bored with the hobby and sell quickly;

b. take an interest in the hobby and become life long collectors; or

c. fall somewhere in the middle of a. and b.

I also expect that if a Whale collector hired you to bird dog coins for him or her and upon finding a suitable coin(s) purchasing them for the collector would be very fun for the bird dog, at least initially.

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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,587 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oops. Wrong forum.

    Will the moderator please shift this thread to the US Coin Forum.
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I have some Whale memorabilia --- long live the Whale!

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  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    I cannot think of anyone that I have ever dealt with where price was not a part of the equation.

    Even the very wealthiest of collectors rarely, if ever, throw caution to the wind and say pay whatever it takes, especially when the dollars get into 5 figures and up.

    I have represented many advanced wealthy collectors and I always discuss price ranges with them. I also listen to the tone of the conversation and can adjust to the upside for coins that I know that they must have.
    PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows.
    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    A short lived whale, I remember when I saw an el primo Indian Half Eagle or Gaudens $10, $20 that I would bet John Kutasi would pick it up. Most of the time I was right up until he decided to sell and start a new business venture. Not sure if he has ever gotten back in or not.
  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424
    I have no first hand experience with them, but from conversations I've had what Julian says is true. The only exception I can think of is if something exremely special came up, (J-1776, Amazonian set in gold, 1849 proof double eagle, the $50 half unions, etc.) the bidding war on those would be phenomenal!

    Some people will pay premiums, but very few, if any, have no concern over price.
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only exception I can think of is if something exremely special came up, (J-1776, Amazonian set in gold, 1849 proof double eagle, the $50 half unions, etc.) the bidding war on those would be phenomenal!

    Strangely, J-1776 and the Amazonian Set have not done well at auction in the past. Today, I would think that J-1776 would do really well, but the Amazonian set might not do well at all.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had pleasant interaction with one of the premier Registry set owners. Just a class act and very modest about his position in the hobby. I'll refrain from specifics with respect to his privacy.

    "Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
    http://www.american-legacy-coins.com

  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A short lived whale, I remember when I saw an el primo Indian Half Eagle or Gaudens $10, $20 that I would bet John Kutasi would pick it up. Most of the time I was right up until he decided to sell and start a new business venture. Not sure if he has ever gotten back in or not. >>




    I remember him. He was a Compleat Whale, and built one of the most fabulous collections of $10 Indians in existence. A true numismatist of our generation in every sense of the word. I wonder if he will come back to collecting.
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424


    << <i>

    << <i>A short lived whale, I remember when I saw an el primo Indian Half Eagle or Gaudens $10, $20 that I would bet John Kutasi would pick it up. Most of the time I was right up until he decided to sell and start a new business venture. Not sure if he has ever gotten back in or not. >>




    I remember him. He was a Compleat Whale, and built one of the most fabulous collections of $10 Indians in existence. A true numismatist of our generation in every sense of the word. I wonder if he will come back to collecting. >>




    Wasn't he the one who had some interesting conversations with Laura on this here forum? Was his coin the one who had a chance meeting with the magical felt pad? (I may be way off on that last one?)
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You are correct about the felt pad being associated with the Kutasi $10 Indians.

    I've got a few whale stories - I'll have to think of a funny one to relate.

  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424
    1920-s, right?

    That whole ordeal brought about some 100 (300?) plus post threads lol
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Over the last 15 years I've heard lots of stories about so-and-so's whale but have never met one in person. Based on their consumption, I've found the stories to be in general true, but don't have any stories that I can share. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • PutTogetherPutTogether Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You are correct about the felt pad being associated with the Kutasi $10 Indians.

    I've got a few whale stories - I'll have to think of a funny one to relate. >>




    This has GOT to be good........I will be waiting...
  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424


    << <i>

    << <i>You are correct about the felt pad being associated with the Kutasi $10 Indians.

    I've got a few whale stories - I'll have to think of a funny one to relate. >>




    This has GOT to be good........I will be waiting... >>



    Bruce, we are still waiting image
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I met Eric Newman a couple of times at 2 shows in St Louis in the 70'2 abd 80's.
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




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