1952 Mantle PSA 7 Cracked Out? Looks like it to me.

mcolney1 · July 23, 2008 4:44AM

Very poor pictures, but look at the frosting on a few good pics. This looks obviously cracked out to me and the seller "cracked out". Am I wrong?

1952 PSA 7 Mantle

OAKESY25 · July 23, 2008 4:47AM

good grief..that is a scam all day

perkdog · July 23, 2008 4:48AM

Call me crazy but if I was selling a PSa 7 52 Mantle I would provide the best scans I could of the entire card in each scan...

mrmint23 · July 23, 2008 4:56AM

<< Call me crazy but if I was selling a "REAL" PSa 7 52 Mantle I would provide the best scans I could of the entire card in each scan... >>

Fixed your quote.

perkdog · July 23, 2008 5:03AM

<< 

<< Call me crazy but if I was selling a "REAL" PSa 7 52 Mantle I would provide the best scans I could of the entire card in each scan... >>

Fixed your quote. >>

I can understand showing cloes up pics of corners but the half card scan is very suspect.

SDSportsFan · July 23, 2008 5:14AM

I agree, and have just reported it to ebay. Let's see what happens.....

Steve

44Magnum · July 23, 2008 5:39AM

I think he actually replaced the 7 with a legit '52 Mantle that is trimmed on the top and on the right border.

storm888 · July 23, 2008 5:45AM

Cranberry Township, Pennsylvania, United States

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The slab looks bad.

Ladder7 · July 23, 2008 7:34AM

buy a fake then sell the graded one!

lsutigers1973 · July 23, 2008 7:39AM

I sent him an email telling him I liked the overly frosted edges, crappy photos, private listing and the reprint he purchased recently. Anxiously awaiting his reply.

julen23 · July 23, 2008 7:49AM

i dont' think it's cracked out.

i think the seller is on crack however.

>$10K for that card, cracked holder or not, is a bargain, the best i ever had.

j

Tvac897 · July 23, 2008 8:10AM

Yeah that's shady as hell, what did ebay have to say?

kcards26 · July 23, 2008 8:10AM

<< I think he actually replaced the 7 with a legit '52 Mantle that is trimmed on the top and on the right border. >>

I agree! That case was definitely cracked and the card replaced with a f____d one. I am suprised this seller has been selling that long on the bay. Maybe they are making one last sell and splitting town-lol!

storm888 · July 23, 2008 8:17AM

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When the previously-purchased reprint is blown-up, it is pretty clear that it is not the card in the holder.

BUT, I am not fully convinced that the card in the holder is genuine. IF it is genuine, it is not the card PSA looked at.

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As the economy gets worse - and EBAY angers more sellers - we will see ALOT more good sellers go bad.

jimq112 · July 23, 2008 8:27AM

Cranberry township is about 60 miles from me and I'll be bidding. I'll go in person to pick the card up if I happen to win.

Odd that all his previous card sales have a woodgrain background in the photo.

storm888 · July 23, 2008 10:20AM

"Odd that all his previous card sales have a woodgrain background in the photo. "

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I noticed that in looking for signs of a hijack.

BUT, all of his remaining-previous pics were about as carpy as the subject ones.

Looks like he may have simply decided to hit a big one on the way out.

T&S will take a look at it, if they are asked to do so.

hofautos · July 23, 2008 10:34AM

<< Cranberry township is about 60 miles from me and I'll be bidding. I'll go in person to pick the card up if I happen to win.

Odd that all his previous card sales have a woodgrain background in the photo. >>

show up in person with the FBI

AragornTheBold · July 23, 2008 10:49AM

Someone needs to use their anti scammer eBay account to snipe this auction to save a lot of money for the poor soul who wins this auction. I think lsu has one he uses for other bogus auctions

PoppaJ · July 23, 2008 11:00AM

I asked him if I could pick the card up in person if I win and he said positively not!

Let's all report this joker NOW before the birth of another "it's too good to be true, but what if it IS real" sucker is born.

Only 4 days left .... but plenty of time for eBay to pull it!

PoppaJ

cohocorp · July 23, 2008 11:01AM

the slab looks fake to me. i cant tell if the card is fake. it is definately trimmed though.

44Magnum · July 23, 2008 11:10AM

<< I cant tell if the card is fake. it is definately trimmed though. >>

Yeah, it's definitely trimmed and that's why I thought it was authentic. Who would trim a fake Mantle?

He popped the real one out and put a trimmed one in.

julen23 · July 23, 2008 11:30AM

looking at it more closely i have to plead the 5th in regards to my comments about the slab having been cracked.

not the best i ever had

j

AragornTheBold · July 23, 2008 11:42AM

ya I was gonna make a comment about that early but you beat me to it, no harm done!

storm888 · July 23, 2008 11:43AM

"Yeah, it's definitely trimmed and that's why I thought it was authentic. Who would trim a fake Mantle?"

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IF one were to brush nutmeg-tea stain on the back of a white card, one might
accidentally soil a front edge/side; the card might then need to be trimmed.

(The corner that is split looks a little off on the color.)

ALL speculation, of course.

But, something is NOT right.

nightcrawler729 · July 23, 2008 11:55AM

Well it's not the one he won in an auction since that one is the "1952 Reprint Series"...

nightcrawler729 · July 23, 2008 12:01PM

Also seems to in someone else's registry already (i tried adding it to my registry).

This guy seems to be the real owner. How can we get the auction stopped?

Mantle Registry

Real 1952 Mantle

Can someone who has powerseller status that's a good samaritan please contact eBay on this item?

44Magnum · July 23, 2008 12:25PM

SAME SERIAL NUMBERS

THE FAKE MANTLE

THE REAL MANTLE

PoppaJ · July 23, 2008 12:49PM

Report this joker NOW!

Kurtman9 · July 23, 2008 1:09PM

OT, but man that real one is a gorgeous card!

storm888 · July 23, 2008 1:23PM

I keep trying to make it a jacked account, BUT it certainly aint easy.

However, his old listings had Auctiva pictures - or self-hosted pics. The
current ones have EBAY pictures.

Good actor, turned bad. Or, jacked. Not sure.

Pretty elaborate jack, if it is one.

WinPitcher · July 23, 2008 2:03PM

I think it is a hijack account myself.

Steve

storm888 · July 23, 2008 2:18PM

<< I think it is a hijack account myself.

Steve >>

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I cannot tell if it was jacked in the past few days, or back in May.

The current photo style is similar to the May style; using EBAY pics.

Some prior pics were hosted off-EBAY.

Vacation time is a common playground for jackers. If a jacker has the numbers
and knows when the seller is on vacation, the rest is easy.

lsutigers1973 · July 23, 2008 2:29PM

<< I think lsu has one he uses for other bogus auctions >>

Yes I do. Guess I am batting 1.000 on my fraud meter. Won about 20 auctions that I thought were frauds and never had a NPB alert filed against me. Wonder why?

dontippet · July 23, 2008 2:32PM

I also reported it.

metalmike · July 23, 2008 3:16PM

I am the uh high bidder and that seller better deliver that exact card lol.

lsutigers1973 · July 23, 2008 3:17PM

I was the high bidder. Let's have a bidding war.

metalmike · July 23, 2008 3:54PM

I bid 9999.99 which would be a steal if real. Even if I win no big deal I ain't skeered- save ya other account for other josefina's lol. That dummy is gone and her negs are also, so i have a bit o wiggle room. sidenote Hey- the bold who are you, why hide?

cohocorp · July 23, 2008 10:39PM

<< SAME SERIAL NUMBERS

THE FAKE MANTLE

THE REAL MANTLE

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the "psa" on the fake slab stuck out the most to me.

frankhardy · July 23, 2008 10:54PM

The back of the fake gives it away. It is definitely a counterfeit. The red box on the back is too large and it doesn't leave the proper sized border around it.

julen23 · July 23, 2008 10:54PM

clusoe,

where did you find the original slab at?

i now retract my 2nd comment. i don't think the card was cracked out,
that is a fake slab.

riding the fence
j

11235813 · July 24, 2008 1:02AM

My two cents....

Why would anybody buy a card this expensive on Ebay on the first place, especially considering it is probably one of the five most faked cards in the hobby?

Anybody can tell from looking at the scan that the card is way too O/C to be a PSA 7 anyway....

storm888 · July 24, 2008 4:41AM

It appears that T&S is trying to "catch" this crook.

nightcrawler729 · July 24, 2008 5:41AM

I just went to the PSA card registry and tried to add that number. When they said it was already in someone's set, I just went down the Mantle list and found it...

lsutigers1973 · July 24, 2008 6:00AM

<< Why would anybody buy a card this expensive on Ebay on the first place, especially considering it is probably one of the five most faked cards in the hobby? >>

This is the first post that 11286465329562136794 has ever had that I actually agreed with.

SDSportsFan · July 24, 2008 7:02AM

Looks like the seller has cancelled all the bids and ended the auction.

Steve

mcolney1 · July 24, 2008 9:05AM

I'm glad I brought this to the board and the seller pulled the auction. Good work everyone.

PoppaJ · July 24, 2008 11:00AM

OMG...

now look what he's selling: PSA/DNA Ugly Ball of the Year!

ArtRossLives · July 24, 2008 11:36AM

I just love the autograph hobby and business.

This guy is the photoshop king of PSA letters and flips.

storm888 · July 24, 2008 12:18PM

Somebody must have spooked him.

T&S was working on it.

It is important NOT to let the crooks simply "end" their listings.
In order to make a case they can/will take further action on,
T&S needs to cancel the offending listings.

T&S, particularly when they have notified law-enforcement, will
let a listing run to completion. The buyer is then notified and
receives an email explaining not to pay, etc.

This does not mean that we should not "bid" on such listings
to thwart them, but we should not let such sellers know that
we are onto them.

nightcrawler729 · July 24, 2008 2:29PM

I had contacted the owner of the card - perhaps he had reported it...

ebrehm · July 24, 2008 10:26PM

Hi all, I am the owner of the real Mantle. Thanks nightcrawler for bringing this to my attention. Looks like the seller fabricated the flip and 'borrowed' my cert # so that bidders could 'verify' the card. I sent the seller a message asking him to explain what my cert # was doing in his auction; he later replied that he was going to pull the auction and re-submit the card to PSA. Perhaps others contacted him as well and he got cold feet about going through with the scam. Good work guys.

-- Eric

1952 Mantle PSA 7 Cracked Out? Looks like it to me.

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