"The certificate is sent in HTM format and will allow the seller to change the ownership on the certificate and forward it to the buyer. If the PSA-DNA print doesn't match it will be up to you to correct the problem with the seller."
So, you can scam them, and get a "PSA 10" and then when your buyer scans the card and finds out it wasn't the same card, they can come after you! As a buyer, I don't think I like that idea!
JJacks
Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
Did you see what they do about the back of the card?
Again, from THEIR website:
"We assume the reverse of the card is in good condition and will not effect the overall grading of the card. If the reverse of the card is a controversial point between the buyer and seller we will evaluate it at N/C. This could lower the initial grading if the reverse is unsatisfactory."
JJacks
Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
We assume the reverse of the card is in good condition and will not effect the overall grading of the card. If the reverse of the card is a controversial point between the buyer and seller we will evaluate it at N/C. This could lower the initial grading if the reverse is unsatisfactory.
lol nah the reverse does not need effect a cards grade!! lol
Look closely at the lettering on that 1961 Clemente... It DOESN'T match the original issue card... someone is playing some serious games here... I wouldn't be suprised if the item up for bid is actually a scan of an original card... It also doesn't look like it's in a holder... if so, that sucker is about 8" tall!
<< <i>PSA-DNA final grading is the average grading of the following four categories CORNERS, EDGES, SURFACE AND CENTERING. If any of the four grades are less than eight, that grade will be doubled and the average grade calculated out of five categories. >>
<< PSA-DNA final grading is the average grading of the following four categories CORNERS, EDGES, SURFACE AND CENTERING. If any of the four grades are less than eight, that grade will be doubled and the average grade calculated out of five categories. >> And then if we find that we still cannot derive a suitable grade, we take the combination of the 4 least averages and the permutation of the greater 5 categories, take the cubed mode, divide it by the sum of the medians, and take the square root of the greater number of categories and multiply by the derivative of the limit. Are we clear, are we clear!!! CRYSTAL. Mike
<< <i><< PSA-DNA final grading is the average grading of the following four categories CORNERS, EDGES, SURFACE AND CENTERING. If any of the four grades are less than eight, that grade will be doubled and the average grade calculated out of five categories. >> And then if we find that we still cannot derive a suitable grade, we take the combination of the 4 least averages and the permutation of the greater 5 categories, take the cubed mode, divide it by the sum of the medians, and take the square root of the greater number of categories and multiply by the derivative of the limit. Are we clear, are we clear!!! CRYSTAL. Mike >>
ohh.. i see.. thanks for clearing that up, Mike! i think im gonna submit for 3 day turnaround time @$7.00/card (even though 1 day turnaround is the same price)
<< <i>i think im gonna submit for 3 day turnaround time @$7.00/card >>
You have learned well from the Master, Grasshopper, you see you have chosen wisely: the 3 day turnaround is calculated using Einstein's theory of special relativity where they employ a different time/space reference and continuum; taking into account the coefficient of thermal expansion in the flux capacitor - your crap will arrive there exactly 3.5 seconds earlier! Mike
1600x enlargement makes the image they view approximatly 333 feet wide by 466 feet high (that's about the hieght of most 30 story buildings, as a frame of reference)
they must be the biggest grading company ever
..........but man-o-man think of the eye appeal.
edited to add: I'd hate to be the grader stuck doing tall boys
Everybody should email them, i did and heres their response. It looks we should all switch to this service as its the wave of the future.
"we assessed the possibility of subjective grading vs there method we do not want any unhappy or legal problems selling mr carnegies cards enlarging and grading the card based on a scan 1600X the normal size is " in our opinion" the only proper method of grading - they wont be going away as they have 250,000 items to grade, hockey baseball and football - being tech savy it amazes me how anyone could accept subjective evaluations regardless of who does them
secondly if the card is sold to a third party they can contact them and send a scan of the card if the card scan they send does not match the one they have on file the person can be assured what he purchased is not what was sent to him or her - they charge nothing for the service of DNA ing the said card
the site is self explanatory and we feel all will use this process in the future have a great day"
That's some funky Kool-Aid they are drinking up there...
<< <i>Everybody should email them, i did and heres their response. It looks we should all switch to this service as its the wave of the future.
"we assessed the possibility of subjective grading vs there method we do not want any unhappy or legal problems selling mr carnegies cards enlarging and grading the card based on a scan 1600X the normal size is " in our opinion" the only proper method of grading - they wont be going away as they have 250,000 items to grade, hockey baseball and football - being tech savy it amazes me how anyone could accept subjective evaluations regardless of who does them
secondly if the card is sold to a third party they can contact them and send a scan of the card if the card scan they send does not match the one they have on file the person can be assured what he purchased is not what was sent to him or her - they charge nothing for the service of DNA ing the said card
the site is self explanatory and we feel all will use this process in the future have a great day" >>
That is a nice Clemente Reprint. You are right about the lettering. Is is different than the original card, particularly with the word "Outfiele" not centered the same.
<< <i>Why is the 1961 Topps Roberto Clemente that you show on your homepage not a real 1961 Topps card? The lettering/font in Robertos name and position is completely different. >>
Well, if the answer to Delgadofan's email was any indication then the answer to yours should at least be entertaining if nothing else. Assuming of course that they answer. The pulled auction is something that I am curious about however. Wonder why they yanked it?
Wow, what a joke! In case anyone wants to know, I looked up their registration information for their website doing a "whois" query for psadnacards.com:
Administrative Gary Robertson 7774 Talbot Trail Blenheim, ON N0P 1A0 Canada -- CA email: garrober@enoreo.on.ca phone: 519-676-2096 fax: 519-676-2096
Maybe I'll email ol' Gary and see how his buddy Andrew Carnegie is doing.
Their grading table example says the sample grades are 9,9,8,9 and the final grad e is 8.9. Grades of 9,9,8,9 total 35 and divided by 4 catagories is a rating of 8.75.
Where do they get 8.9?
What a complete joke of a service.
ebay seller name milbroco email bcmiller7@comcast.net
murcerfan - they really don't have that many problems seeing all of the card. Their monitor is Frank's 2000 Inch TV, so they only need to scroll down or across a few times. Now the file size of their server is a different story. I don't want to think about the space a .bmp that size would take up.
We are aware of this company and are currently working with eBay in order to cancel their auctions. In addition, as you can imagine, we will be pursuing them - vigorously.
<< <i>We are aware of this company and are currently working with eBay in order to cancel their auctions. In addition, as you can imagine, we will be pursuing them - vigorously.
Take care,
Joe Orlando PSA President >>
As we would say in the "gaming" circle... WOOT and PWND!
Andrew Carnegie died in 1919. Whether or not this guy was trying to imply that these cards were the Andrew Carnegie's or just a Andrew Carnegie isn't clear. I'm sure that there are plenty of Andrew Carnegie's out there. It just made the auction seem a little more bogus, and thus quite ironic.
<< <i>We are aware of this company and are currently working with eBay in order to cancel their auctions. In addition, as you can imagine, we will be pursuing them - vigorously.
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Our client Mr. Andrew Carnegie has been left 250,000 baseball cards from 1952 to 1995
and i bet 249,950 of them are from 1988 and up! lol
hey didnt andrew carnegie die around 1900 or so?
I think he built the library here in town
The idiots couldn't even think up their own company name.
idiots!!!
hmmm... I smell a scam!
This is an ugly holder!
Funny. Here is something from their website:
"The certificate is sent in HTM format and will allow the seller to change the ownership on the certificate and forward it to the buyer. If the PSA-DNA print doesn't match it will be up to you to correct the problem with the seller."
So, you can scam them, and get a "PSA 10" and then when your buyer scans the card and finds out it wasn't the same card, they can come after you! As a buyer, I don't think I like that idea!
JJacks
Mike
Did you see what they do about the back of the card?
Again, from THEIR website:
"We assume the reverse of the card is in good condition and will not effect the overall grading of the card. If the reverse of the card is a controversial point between the buyer and seller we will evaluate it at N/C. This could lower the initial grading if the reverse is unsatisfactory."
JJacks
lol nah the reverse does not need effect a cards grade!! lol
Be afraid... be very afraid.
<< <i>PSA-DNA final grading is the average grading of the following four categories CORNERS, EDGES, SURFACE AND CENTERING. If any of the four grades are less than eight, that grade will be doubled and the average grade calculated out of five categories. >>
And then if we find that we still cannot derive a suitable grade, we take the combination of the 4 least averages and the permutation of the greater 5 categories, take the cubed mode, divide it by the sum of the medians, and take the square root of the greater number of categories and multiply by the derivative of the limit. Are we clear, are we clear!!! CRYSTAL.
Mike
<< <i><< PSA-DNA final grading is the average grading of the following four categories CORNERS, EDGES, SURFACE AND CENTERING. If any of the four grades are less than eight, that grade will be doubled and the average grade calculated out of five categories. >>
And then if we find that we still cannot derive a suitable grade, we take the combination of the 4 least averages and the permutation of the greater 5 categories, take the cubed mode, divide it by the sum of the medians, and take the square root of the greater number of categories and multiply by the derivative of the limit. Are we clear, are we clear!!! CRYSTAL.
Mike
ohh.. i see.. thanks for clearing that up, Mike!
i think im gonna submit for 3 day turnaround time @$7.00/card (even though 1 day turnaround is the same price)
<< <i>i think im gonna submit for 3 day turnaround time @$7.00/card >>
You have learned well from the Master, Grasshopper, you see you have chosen wisely: the 3 day turnaround is calculated using Einstein's theory of special relativity where they employ a different time/space reference and continuum; taking into account the coefficient of thermal expansion in the flux capacitor - your crap will arrive there exactly 3.5 seconds earlier!
Mike
they must be the biggest grading company ever
..........but man-o-man think of the eye appeal.
edited to add: I'd hate to be the grader stuck doing tall boys
This is unbelievable, but not too far off of the people who are selling the graded pictures from magazines and guides.
Keith
"we assessed the possibility of subjective grading vs there method
we do not want any unhappy or legal problems selling mr carnegies cards
enlarging and grading the card based on a scan 1600X the normal size is " in our opinion" the only proper method of grading - they wont be going away as they have 250,000 items to grade, hockey baseball and football - being tech savy it amazes me how anyone could accept subjective evaluations regardless of who does them
secondly if the card is sold to a third party they can contact them and send a scan of the card
if the card scan they send does not match the one they have on file the person can be assured what he purchased is not what was sent to him or her - they charge nothing for the service of DNA ing the said card
the site is self explanatory and we feel all will use this process in the future
have a great day"
<< <i>Everybody should email them, i did and heres their response. It looks we should all switch to this service as its the wave of the future.
"we assessed the possibility of subjective grading vs there method
we do not want any unhappy or legal problems selling mr carnegies cards
enlarging and grading the card based on a scan 1600X the normal size is " in our opinion" the only proper method of grading - they wont be going away as they have 250,000 items to grade, hockey baseball and football - being tech savy it amazes me how anyone could accept subjective evaluations regardless of who does them
secondly if the card is sold to a third party they can contact them and send a scan of the card
if the card scan they send does not match the one they have on file the person can be assured what he purchased is not what was sent to him or her - they charge nothing for the service of DNA ing the said card
the site is self explanatory and we feel all will use this process in the future
have a great day"
<< <i>enlarging and grading the card based on a scan 1600X the normal size is " in our opinion" the only proper method of grading >>
I don't know if I want to see ANYTHING up that close!
Mike
<< <i>The company's website is psadnacards.com. Doubt you'll see the pic of the card in question, but you'll see the info on the company. >>
http://psadnacards.com/
and the FUNNIEST part is the fine print....
<< <i>This site Copyright © 2001 by PSA-DNA. All rights reserved.
>>
<< <i>Why is the 1961 Topps Roberto Clemente that you show on your homepage not a real 1961 Topps card? The lettering/font in Robertos name and position is completely different. >>
i'll let ya know whatsup
here's a real clemente card
Administrative
Gary Robertson
7774 Talbot Trail
Blenheim, ON N0P 1A0
Canada -- CA
email: garrober@enoreo.on.ca
phone: 519-676-2096
fax: 519-676-2096
Maybe I'll email ol' Gary and see how his buddy Andrew Carnegie is doing.
charlie
Their grading table example says the sample grades are 9,9,8,9 and the final grad e is 8.9. Grades of 9,9,8,9 total 35 and divided by 4 catagories is a rating of 8.75.
Where do they get 8.9?
What a complete joke of a service.
email bcmiller7@comcast.net
Now the file size of their server is a different story. I don't want to think about the space a .bmp that size would take up.
Nick
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<< <i>Andrew Carnegie.......That never fails to crack me up when I read it............. >>
why?
what am I missing?
We are aware of this company and are currently working with eBay in order to cancel their auctions. In addition, as you can imagine, we will be pursuing them - vigorously.
Take care,
Joe Orlando
PSA President
CEO, Collectors Universe, Inc.
<< <i>We are aware of this company and are currently working with eBay in order to cancel their auctions. In addition, as you can imagine, we will be pursuing them - vigorously.
Take care,
Joe Orlando
PSA President >>
As we would say in the "gaming" circle... WOOT and PWND!
Thank you for the reply, and I'm glad I could help in some small way
Steve
Andrew Carnegie died in 1919. Whether or not this guy was trying to imply that these cards were the Andrew Carnegie's or just a Andrew Carnegie isn't clear. I'm sure that there are plenty of Andrew Carnegie's out there. It just made the auction seem a little more bogus, and thus quite ironic.
Brian
"No more ... smoke and mirror evaluations"
Isn't this whole company basically smoke and mirrors? Just a way to use a reputable name in the card industry.
Thought that was kinda ironic.
Philip
<< <i>We will also prove that there are five grading levels and only five. >>
What does this mean? It sounds like they're saying you can only get a 1,2,3,4,or 5, but the examples say otherwise
<< <i>We are aware of this company and are currently working with eBay in order to cancel their auctions. In addition, as you can imagine, we will be pursuing them - vigorously.
Take care,
Joe Orlando
PSA President >>
GO JOE! and keep up informed, if ya dont mind..
this is that clowns email address