Do 1910 VDB Lincoln Cents exist?

oldcameoproofsguy · July 9, 2005 1:39PM

If I remember correctly there was a discussion some time ago about 1910 VDB Lincoln Cents. Some members thought that they do exist. Are there any certified examples?

fullerfun4 · July 9, 2005 1:45PM

I just finished taking a seminar on Lincoln cents with Sol Taylor as the instructor. He authored one of the primary references on the subject. He stated that he has personally seen 2-3 examples of 1910 Lincoln cents with partial VDB initials on them, but that none of them are sufficiently clear to be authenicated and graded by a TPG. Mr. Taylor did state that he believed that there will eventually be a specimen that will get authenicated.
Regards
Gary

lordmarcovan · July 9, 2005 1:59PM

Interesting.

clackamas · July 9, 2005 2:44PM

<< I just finished taking a seminar on Lincoln cents with Sol Taylor as the instructor. He authored one of the primary references on the subject. He stated that he has personally seen 2-3 examples of 1910 Lincoln cents with partial VDB initials on them, but that none of them are sufficiently clear to be authenicated and graded by a TPG. Mr. Taylor did state that he believed that there will eventually be a specimen that will get authenicated.
Regards
Gary >>

Hmmm.. I have never heard that. I will keep my eyes out. That would be something.

rmoss · July 9, 2005 3:08PM

<< If I remember correctly there was a discussion some time ago about 1910 VDB Lincoln Cents. Some members thought that they do exist. Are there any certified examples? >>

Maybe I better go back and look at my 1910 Lincolns, they haven't been touched in 30 years or so. MMMMMM?

michael · July 9, 2005 5:08PM

Do 1910 VDB Lincoln Cents exist??

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richbeat · July 9, 2005 5:52PM

There are also 1910S VDB's. David Lange ("Complete Guide to Lincoln Cents): "Specimens have been reported having vestigial traces of the letters V.D.B. It's not clear whether these letters remained on the working die or the working hub, but the former is more likely."

RegistryNut · July 9, 2005 6:42PM

<< There are also 1910S VDB's. David Lange ("Complete Guide to Lincoln Cents): "Specimens have been reported having vestigial traces of the letters V.D.B. It's not clear whether these letters remained on the working die or the working hub, but the former is more likely."

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koynekwest · July 10, 2005 4:22AM

To the best of my knowledge, Mint marks were added to working DIES, never to working hubs.

Conder101 · July 10, 2005 4:46AM

That is true, but no one has said anything about the S. They are discussing just the VDB on the back. Since the initials were ground off the dies, and the 1909 cents were struck moderately late in the year, there is a chance that the altered dies were also used at one or both mints in 1910 as well. Coins with a trace of the VDB have been reported from both mints in 1910 bt they are still controversial.

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS · July 10, 2005 4:55AM

1910 VDB and 1910 s VDB Lincoln cents are an abberition.Show me a clear and distinct example and I will worship the ground you walk on.

Neither 1910 VDB cents nor 1917 Proof Lincoln cents exist.And I believe David Hall will even agree with me on this one.

Stewart

Steve · July 10, 2005 7:30AM

<< 

Neither 1910 VDB cents nor 1917 Proof Lincoln cents exist.And I believe David Hall will even agree with me on this one.

Stewart >>

How about the 1959 Lincoln cent with the wheat reverse?

Steve

291fifth · July 10, 2005 7:37AM

Perhaps in China.

PerryHall · July 10, 2005 8:24AM

<< Perhaps in China. >>

No. Otherwise they would be all over eBay.

koynekwest · July 10, 2005 8:58AM

Sorry-my mistake-I see he's refering to the VDB, not the Mint mark.

ar18 · August 16, 2006 9:05AM

Apperently, one of these walked into my coin shop the other day, 2 of my die variety collectors verified it, I know the owner somewhat well, I will try to get pictures, hoping to see it this next weekend. No I have not seen it, but trust the words of the messangers very well, they know more about varieties than I could ever hope to, and they both agreed on it originality.

drwstr123 · August 16, 2006 9:20AM

If you think it through, it's damn near impossible. I could show an example of a 1909 where the VDB has been ground/lapped from the die. Why then would a die with the initials be allow to remain?

ar18 · August 16, 2006 9:26AM

I don't have the answer, all I know is that they have been rumored to exist, they are in Breens, but until I see it myself I cannot confirm it. Based off the descriptions given to me, I would say it probally does exist.

michael · August 16, 2006 9:38AM

Do 1910 VDB Lincoln Cents exist?

yes

drwstr123 · August 16, 2006 9:41AM

<< Do 1910 VDB Lincoln Cents exist?

yes >>

Pics?

michael · August 16, 2006 9:51AM

i cant take photos but three in an original roll from 1910 two are there but not strong and only the v and B OF VDB third one is strong but it takes the right angle and light to see it but it is no brainer all there

DMWJR · August 16, 2006 9:56AM

<< i cant take photos but three in an original roll from 1910 two are there but not strong and only the v and B OF VDB third one is strong but it takes the right angle and light to see it but it is no brainer all there >>

Michael, send me one and I'll take photos for you.... and then I'll send you the photos back.....

drwstr123 · August 16, 2006 10:13AM

Here's a 09 with striations showing the removal of initials. Of course anything is possible, but I don't think the mint employees of that era would be blase' to a direct order.

WaterSport · August 16, 2006 10:33AM

WaterSport votes YES, they exsist. I had one and tried to get ANACS to verify. I sent about 4-5 Enlarged photos with the 1910 as you really had to get the right angle to see them. I would also submit, that seeing the removed VDB is a lot easier than trying to see a phatom "D" on the 2000 series of Lincolns. I am ona trip right now so I do not have the pics and the coin I sold for a few bucks anticipating I will geta nice UNC one someday.

WS

PS Some guy use to sell them regulary on Ebay

tradedollarnut · August 16, 2006 10:47AM

Here's a 09 with striations showing the removal of initials

Now how can that be possible?

RWB · August 16, 2006 11:00AM

I had asked this question on these boards and on the NGC forum. If anyone has a clear image of the "VDB" or traces of it on a 1910 (or later) Lincoln cent, I’d like to see detailed images and would consider adding it to the "Renaissance of American Coinage 1909-1915" book. It would certainly be an interesting anomaly.

BTW, documents clearly state that the VDB was removed from the master hub, not individual working dies. Also, this hub has higher relief than the new one made later in August 1909.

drwstr123 · August 16, 2006 11:00AM

The topic was discussed across the street:
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Do 1910 VDB Lincoln Cents exist?

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