I know it's a common Peace Dollar, but what does it grade?

piecesofme · March 3, 2014 6:18AM

In hand, this coin is spectacular. I hope it translates in the pictures. What say you as to it's grade? Thanks

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · March 3, 2014 6:20AM

it almost looks like a satin proof that was struck by Dan Carr…Nice Coin!

Erik

ModCrewman · March 3, 2014 6:21AM

I think it looks to be exceptional. I'd say a 66+. The only concern I have is what looks like a mark running through the 2nd L of Dollar on the reverse.

SoCalBigMark · March 3, 2014 6:26AM

Does it look more like this?

BryceM · March 3, 2014 6:26AM

1st answer: It grades "Please send it to me".

2nd answer: From the photos it looks very nice. The white balance is probably a little off, as these are most often blast white or a soft golden color, not greenish like it appears. The rims look nice. Luster looks deep and frosty. The cheek and fields are clean. Strike is only average (which isn't a huge deal with Peace Dollars). There are some hits around the eagle's rock and in the lower wing/leg area. One scratch is seen in the obverse left field. Something strange is going on around E PLURIBUS. There are a few scattered toning spots. I am not able to exclude the possibility of light wear from these photos.

I'm guessing a grade in the neighborhood of MS65+, but MS64-MS66 would be possible, depending on exactly how it looks in-hand. One caution though, is that there are a number of common-date Peace dollars that look a little like this that actually grade out at AU58. Look for luster breaks on the upper central cheek, the neck truncation, the point of the eagle's shoulder, and on the ridges of the rock the eagle is standing on. If these look OK, and mint frost extends across the entire cheek and neck, you have a winner, possibly up to MS66.

piecesofme · March 3, 2014 6:30AM

The pics I provided are undoctored and were taken just using natural ambient lightining. Not sure on what is being implied SoCalBigMark?

SoCalBigMark · March 3, 2014 6:37AM

Just trying to see if the edited image is closer to in hand, why does everything have to be a conspiracy here?

erickso1 · March 3, 2014 6:43AM

Pretty peace dollar. Really nice look. I'm in BryceM's camp on grade. It *looks* really nice, but could go 64 or 58.

Connecticoin · March 3, 2014 6:44AM

Is that line across the neck a die crack or a scratch? Also are there any hairlines on the coin that are not apparent in the photo?

Weiss · March 3, 2014 6:46AM

It's pretty. But I've got MS66 Avoidance Disorder (MSAD--it's in the DSM-5, look it up).
So I'm 65 based on the pictures, but 64 based on the pops and widgetness of the piece.

erickso1 · March 3, 2014 6:46AM

<< Is that line across the neck a die crack or a scratch? Also are there any hairlines on the coin that are not apparent in the photo? >>

It's a die crack.

AUandAG · March 3, 2014 6:48AM

Won't grade. Been messed with under GOD on obverse.

bob

Jcarney · March 3, 2014 7:00AM

Is that a die crack through the lower neck area?

BlindedByEgo · March 3, 2014 7:40AM

<< Won't grade. Been messed with under GOD on obverse.

bob

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How can you tell from the photos that what you see isn't die polish? Just curious.

Bochiman · March 3, 2014 7:42AM

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<< Won't grade. Been messed with under GOD on obverse.

bob

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How can you tell from the photos that what you see isn't die polish? Just curious. >>

The look isn't consistent.
Bob mentions what I was thinking. NG....altered surfaces is likely the code that would be given.

BlindedByEgo · March 3, 2014 8:06AM

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<< Won't grade. Been messed with under GOD on obverse.

bob

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How can you tell from the photos that what you see isn't die polish? Just curious. >>

The look isn't consistent.
Bob mentions what I was thinking. NG....altered surfaces is likely the code that would be given. >>

You guys are amazing with just photos

AUandAG · March 3, 2014 8:08AM

I don't know how amazing we are. I myself am wrong more often that I admit.

bob

piecesofme · March 3, 2014 8:11AM

Is that line across the neck a die crack or a scratch? Also are there any hairlines on the coin that are not apparent in the photo?

Raised die crack and no others that I can tell.

Won't grade. Been messed with under GOD on obverse

There is something going on there, but i really feel it's not the result of a cleaning, the coin has extremely strong luster and does have a satin finish as some have mentioned. Thanks for all the help everyone, I thought it stood a chance at being a 65.

BryceM · March 3, 2014 8:11AM

The area between the rim and "GOD" is a place where I've seen die polish on lots of other Peace dollars. It's also an area where you can see feed-finger rub on the die, but that's more common closer to the neck. Look at this area closely though - tooling or work to remove a spot might get it BB'd. It's just too hard to tell exactly from the photos. The line across the neck is 100% a die crack, raised from the surrounding devices and in THE classic location.

Type2 · March 3, 2014 8:17AM

MS64/5

lordmarcovan · March 3, 2014 8:23AM

Holy smokes! That's the cleanest looking Peace dollar I've seen in a very, very long time.

Gotta be at least a 66. There's that little hairline below the L in LIBERTY, but ... still. Wow.

piecesofme · March 3, 2014 8:31AM

The only concern I have is what looks like a mark running through the 2nd L of Dollar on the reverse

Man it's very hard to tell but I am nearly certain that it is a die crack. There are actually 2. The one running thru the L and the longer more obvious one. Not saying FOR SURE if it is or isn't as it's too hard to tell for me.

jayPem · March 3, 2014 9:02AM

I had one in a batch of AU's once that looked really satiny and amazingly clean and lusterous...turned out to be wizzed.
Not that this one has that look so much, but take a look around the edge of the devices .

crypto79 · March 3, 2014 9:48AM

God ole fashioned GEM, no more no less. MS65

JJM · March 3, 2014 10:24PM

65

TwoSides2aCoin · March 3, 2014 11:12PM

<< Just trying to see if the edited image is closer to in hand, why does everything have to be a conspiracy here? >>

I've been trying to figure this out for years. I blame too much television, Facebook and psychotropic medicines. MS 65 on the guess for the coin.

AMRC · March 3, 2014 11:27PM

My first impression is a 65. My other first impression was that it looks a little too nice.

OldEastside · March 4, 2014 12:03AM

When I play GTG on peace $'s, I'm always way off, so I'll hedge it and say 64, because I think it should be a 65/6

Steve

bsshog40 · March 5, 2014 5:19AM

As someone already stated, the white balance is off too much to get an actual detailed grade. It looks like contact marks that may be hidden with the off balance. That said, possibly 64.

lcoopie · March 5, 2014 5:57AM

white balance only has to do with color

the photo is over exposed

ACop · March 5, 2014 6:00AM

<< My first impression is a 65. My other first impression was that it looks a little too nice. >>

The coin is angled and the white balance is off as such that it is smoothing out the surfaces to look much cleaner than I suspect it is. Coin may be an AU or bodybag for cleaning in my opinion. Otherwise if problem free a 64/5.

sawyerjosh · March 5, 2014 10:49AM

<< In hand, this coin is spectacular. I hope it translates in the pictures. What say you as to it's grade? Thanks
looks cleaned

OldIndianNutKase · March 5, 2014 11:36AM

Discounting the "business under God" as pointed out by other posters, I would think MS65. I have 64's that are not this good and 65's that are very similar. The dings on the reverse above "peace" and the "line" ont he lower neck which may be a die issue would keep it from a 66. But if the weak strike turns out to be wear it is a 58.

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