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Checking the PCGS barcode on IMAGES of slabs - no equipment needed

Sounds too simple to work, but I tried it and it does!

I grabbed a photo of a PCGS slab...purposely not a very good photo





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Then used an image editor to make a new image of the PCGS bar code only

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And uploaded the image of the PCGS barcode to

http://online-barcode-reader.com/

which returns

image


The last 4 digits of the PCGS barcode are rendered as DEMO for
non subscribers.

Of course, it's easy to make a fake label with the proper barcode, but many fake slabs
use a random barcode that does not match the serial number. It's an interesting
tool in the fight against fakes.


Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting....the online bar code reader thingie....
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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,939 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it possibly the 3 of 9 barcode true type font.

    cnet link
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have you tried it on the fakes from the other thread?
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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭
    Again, if it reads back the right number, it's NOT a guarantee that the slab is good...

    But if it returns the WRONG number, it does prove it's bad!
    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,888 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Have you tried it on the fakes from the other thread? >>



    yeah, really... try it on a fake slab.

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  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,723 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is it possibly the 3 of 9 barcode true type font.

    cnet link >>



    What frank posted is not a code 39. It may be a 2 of 5 or an I 2 of 5, but not 39. Code 39 has a starting and ending character that are identical (it's the same as the * character)

    Useless trivia: code 3 of 9 was so named because each character has 9 elements (total count of bars and spaces) and 3 must be wide. Minimum for wide is 2:1, prefer 3:1 ratio for best readability. It was the first truly alpha-numeric barcode developed. It was developed by Intermec corp. It was the industry defacto barcode for many years, but I believe it's falling into disuse due to the 2d codes that are now being used.
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭
    This one returns no valid data....


    image
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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can you try this one?

    image
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  • DonWillisDonWillis Posts: 961 ✭✭✭
    PCGS uses the Interleave 2 of 5 bar code format.

    Here is a description of the barcode from our website - PCGS barcode.


    Interesting idea.........


  • jt88jt88 Posts: 3,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I tried it on the fake coin. It returned this:

    116526450393DEMO

    The fake coin image is attached. I bought this coin and couple coins on ebay from a seller in Janpan a year ago and I believe they are fake, so I did not pay. Looks like I am correct.
  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's looking like the fake slabs have crossed the line from fooling only novices, to having seasoned collectors quite a bit nervous.

  • jt88jt88 Posts: 3,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How do I show image in here? I have another fake coin that I can't decode and I want to show the image here so you guys can try to decode it.

    Anyway I attached the fake coin image here.
  • jt88jt88 Posts: 3,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't do this one.
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,939 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS uses the Interleave 2 of 5 bar code format.

    Here is a description of the barcode from our website - PCGS barcode.


    Interesting idea......... >>



    LanLord, you da man!!! image
  • jt88jt88 Posts: 3,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If can't decode the bar code what does it mean?

  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had a fake coin I imaged, the barcode checked out. Kind of scary.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,888 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I had a fake coin I imaged, the barcode checked out. Kind of scary. >>



    It'd be nice to have the software return the data as well as the coding format.

    Still, a positive result is no guarantee even then...
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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I had a fake coin I imaged, the barcode checked out. Kind of scary. >>



    It'd be nice to have the software return the data as well as the coding format.

    Still, a positive result is no guarantee even then... >>



    I think if you select XML it gives some additional format information
    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
  • jt88jt88 Posts: 3,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think this decode info is very helpful. I tried to decode some of the coins bar codes from some of the eBay usual suspects but can’t decode them. One of the high price coin I can verify the coin in NGC site but I can’t decode the eBay seller bar code but I can decode the bar code on NGC site. So I am not sure the eBay seller’s coin is same as the coin on NGC’s site. Interesting.
  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it seems a very easy fix for the guy making the slabs... if he can type in the same 10 numbers, whats to stop making reading a barcode and having his printer make the same barcodes?
    may the fonz be with you...always...


  • << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I had a fake coin I imaged, the barcode checked out. Kind of scary. >>



    It'd be nice to have the software return the data as well as the coding format.

    Still, a positive result is no guarantee even then... >>



    I think if you select XML it gives some additional format information >>



    XML returns no data on my test...

    TEXT returns the correct number but with DEMO for the last 4 digits...

    IMAGE returns the correct number, including the last 4 digits...

    Neat Post Frank...

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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭


    << <i>it seems a very easy fix for the guy making the slabs... if he can type in the same 10 numbers, whats to stop making reading a barcode and having his printer make the same barcodes? >>



    They have web sites that do that for you like barcodemill.com. The only problem for the slab fakers is figuring out the format pcgs uses but its posted on the pcgs site if they know where to look.
  • jt88jt88 Posts: 3,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Try to decode this one.

    Text


  • << <i>Try to decode this one.

    Text >>



    I get no data returned on that one, looks funny as well...

    The bar code that is...

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  • DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭
    Interesting! I accessed the site and chose "Show Result as: Image" and it returned the entire number (correct) without the DEMO as the last 4 digits. POTD Frank! image
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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Try to decode this one.

    Text >>



    Returns nothing for me. Apparently a nonsense barcode.

    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
  • jt88jt88 Posts: 3,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Then try this two again. The MS65 one can be decoded but not the MS66 coin.

    Text
  • jt88jt88 Posts: 3,197 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Interesting! I accessed the site and chose "Show Result as: Image" and it returned the entire number (correct) without the DEMO as the last 4 digits. POTD Frank! image >>



    Someone told me that's a fake PCGS holder with a fake coin. I can't tell from the coin but since it can't be decode I think it is a questionable coin.


  • << <i>Try to decode this one.

    Text >>



    It read part of the barcode for me...

    image
  • Great job/find Frank!

    There are also iPhone apps that read barcodes as well with just a snap of the image (but not sure if they would work the same).
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,888 ✭✭✭✭✭
    now it shows the barcode type...

    someone is listening....
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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,538 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS uses the Interleave 2 of 5 bar code format.

    Here is a description of the barcode from our website - PCGS barcode.


    Interesting idea......... >>



    I have RedLaser for the iPhone but it does not seem to work with this type of bar code and am having trouble finding another iPhone app barcode reader that will read this type of barcode. Anyone know of one?

    Greg
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