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Re: HOF Standards
TC, I never claimed that Joe Morgan was on the same level as Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, et al, as all of those players are not second basemen and therefore should not be compared to Joe Morgan. Morgan, however, is significantly better than fellow 2B Roberto Alomar, and is the best post-war 2B in baseball history,… -
Re: HOF Standards
<< <i>TC, I never claimed that Joe Morgan was on the same level as Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, et al, as all of those players are not second basemen and therefore should not be compared to Joe Morgan. Morgan, however, is significantly better than fellow 2B Roberto Alomar, and is the best post-war 2B in baseball… -
Re: HOF Standards
Another name that seems out of place on Tier 1 is Joe Morgan, again another fine ball player, but looks out of place among the other players on Tier 1 Other than possibly Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan is arguably the 2nd best 2B of all time, and is unquestionably the best post-war 2B of all time. Not Tier 1? You must be… -
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<< <i>I'm guessing that Lou Brock is listed as a Tier V Hall of Famer because he didn't walk as much as a leadoff hitter is supposed to, is that correct? >> If you ignore his Base on Balls totals, and ignore the number of outs he made, then you lost any chance of coming to an accurate conclusion. BB, 1B, 2B, 3B, HR, Out… -
Re: HOF Standards
So 1969 was Reggies' best season. Not bad, 47 HR and 36 2B. 334 Total bases. Pretty good slugging numbers. Oh, in 1979 George Brett had 363 Total bases. 29 more than Jackson had in his best season. Brett had several years better than Jackson in 1969, simply because Reggie was a one trick pony. HR or K. -
Re: HOF Standards
<< <i> As I said, ignoring OBP, >> Ignoring OBP is ignoring about half a player's contribution to hitting. Makes zero sense to do that. Sure, if you ignore half of the equation...of course he won't look as good. Especially since he excelled so well in OB%. The play by play data shows exactly the value of a BB, 1B, 2B, 3B,… -
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<< <i> << <i> As I said, ignoring OBP, >> Ignoring OBP is ignoring about half a player's contribution to hitting. Makes zero sense to do that. >> I never meant to imply that we should completely ignore OBP. But it also shouldn't be taken as the be-all end-all gospel for rating a player. Having an OBP of .375 is wonderful.… -
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<< <i>Brock had a lifetime BA of .391 in 21 World Series games and there is no way the Cards even make it to any of the three series without him as their leadoff hitter. >> Brock had some pretty good years in that time, and there is a good chance the Cardinals don't make it to the World Series without him, just as there is… -
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<< <i>The post season is the reason why players play the game, a World Series ring is what every plaster covers, but only a handful succeed in getting one. Ignoring the postseason is like serving a BLT sandwich without the bacon. >> Actually, to answer your other question, pretty much everything you say doesn't make any… -
Re: HOF Standards
<< <i>I never meant to imply that we should completely ignore OBP. But it also shouldn't be taken as the be-all end-all gospel for rating a player. Having an OBP of .375 is wonderful. Combining it with a .391 slugging %? Not so much. Again, we're talking a guy who had seven full seasons where he hit 15 or fewer homers.…
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