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Matte Proof Coin Information Request
Jackthecat1
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Hello,
I am asking the members of this forum for any information they may have about this coin:
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This is what I know about it:
1. As the label indicates, it is a 1906 German Empire Baden Wedding Anniversary 2 Mark coin which has been certified as Matte Proof-62 ATS.
2. I purchased it at the 2014 NYINC from a highly reputable dealer in world coins.
3. The Standard Catalog indicates a proof mintage of 200 with no value listed. The business strike is relatively common.
4. 1906 was in the middle of the matte proof era (1902 GB Coronation Proof Set, 1909-1916 US Minors and Gold, etc.)
5. There were two other German Empire coins with matte proof features, but only on the obverse (1904 Hesse-Darmstadt 2 and 5 Marks).
6. Total certified population is PCGS-0, NGC-1.
Any other information or ideas as to where I can look for same would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you, Jack.
I am asking the members of this forum for any information they may have about this coin:
[URL=http://s1075.photobucket.com/u...6_zps8pmxppaz.jpg.html][/URL]
This is what I know about it:
1. As the label indicates, it is a 1906 German Empire Baden Wedding Anniversary 2 Mark coin which has been certified as Matte Proof-62 ATS.
2. I purchased it at the 2014 NYINC from a highly reputable dealer in world coins.
3. The Standard Catalog indicates a proof mintage of 200 with no value listed. The business strike is relatively common.
4. 1906 was in the middle of the matte proof era (1902 GB Coronation Proof Set, 1909-1916 US Minors and Gold, etc.)
5. There were two other German Empire coins with matte proof features, but only on the obverse (1904 Hesse-Darmstadt 2 and 5 Marks).
6. Total certified population is PCGS-0, NGC-1.
Any other information or ideas as to where I can look for same would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you, Jack.
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send an email to moneytrend in Austria:
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attention Helmut Caspar. he is the expert, and or Volker Weege (he is the publisher and owner)
OR, any large auction house can help... possibly.
did you check HA old archives?
But better and sharper images might be needed.
sorry, that is the best that comes to mind.
good luck
It is my understanding that the first well-documented proofs were the 1913-A issues, that's not to say that everything made after that was well documented. I think I've seen a proof of this type (maybe 5 mark) in a recent auction, but I can't remember where. It's not something I'd normally be looking for.
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"Numismatic categorizations, if left unconstrained, will increase spontaneously over time." -me
Krause does not list any other 20th Century German Empire silver coins as being issued in matte proof except for the two 1904 Hesse-Darmstadt coins, obverse only. I can vouch for this as I have a proof 2 Mark and the contrast between matte obverse and brilliant reverse is quite vivid.
The 1906 Baden Anniversary 5 Mark is not listed as being matte finish, but that is not impossible. Other States might have also issued matte proofs, but I have no evidence of that.
All of the other Imperial Proof coins in my collection are brilliant, some with outstanding cameos.
The limited independence of the States in matters such as coinage gives credence to the hypothesis that individual mint or Treasury officials or even Royals might have gotten the opportunity to indulge their artistic whims. This was the period when matte proofs flourished in several countries.
I will continue to look for information and will add to this thread if I find any. Any further commentary or sources would be greatly appreciated.
The book I'm referring to is this: PP-Muenzen
IG: DeCourcyCoinsEbay: neilrobertson
"Numismatic categorizations, if left unconstrained, will increase spontaneously over time." -me
PP is the German equivalent to PROOF.
in PP nicht bekannt"means they "not known in Proof". but the way it is frazed, they leave the door open for it to be possible that there are some..
translated : Not known yet in proof. and has nothing to do with matt, unless the whole book or a specific chapter is all about matt coins.
german lingo has its tricks... I grew up with it.
If this book is only about matt coins, then it makes sense.
PP is the German equivalent to PROOF.
in PP nicht bekannt"means they "not known in Proof". but the way it is frazed, they leave the door open for it to be possible that there are some..
translated : Not known yet in proof. and has nothing to do with matt, unless the whole book or a specific chapter is all about matt coins.
german lingo has its tricks... I grew up with it.
Yeah. Since my German is not my first language, I just wrote it verbatim. The section of the catalog is focusing on PP coins and my interpretation is the same as yours. And Germans seem to be particular about their definitions of what constitutes a polierte platte coin and seem to delineate them from matte as well as business strikes.
IG: DeCourcyCoinsEbay: neilrobertson
"Numismatic categorizations, if left unconstrained, will increase spontaneously over time." -me