Newp... Upper Canada Bank Token :)

Broadstruck · November 24, 2015 1:25AM

I've been looking for a nice high grade example with plenty of remaining mint red for quite some time and finally found it

1857 Upper Canada - One Penny Bank Token, Breton-719 / Charlton PC-6D, Copper, 34mm Diameter.

brg5658 · November 24, 2015 2:09AM

Broadstruck, Nice detail on that one! I'd fathom a 63RB, maybe 64.

Is the obverse area from 7 to 10 o'clock stable? I'm always scared of having copper conserved...

Best, Brandon

lordmarcovan · November 24, 2015 3:15AM

I'm not used to seeing those with so much Red!

I want one of the 1863(?) "Bouquet" penny tokens with that much Red.

Speaking of mint Red, and Canadian stuff, somebody on these forums has or had an 1871 Prince Edward Island cent in PCGS MS67 RD with blazing luster. Though that was posted more than a decade ago, it really made an impression on me and I still remember that coin.

Oh- and speaking of the St. George types, I gave a holed Bank of Upper Canada halfpenny token (1850? '57?) to a coworker of mine (who has since been promoted to become a boss of mine) to put on his keychain. He still has it there more than a year land a half later. The "pocket piece" wear on it actually looks pretty good. It's lighter in color than when I gave it to him, but not all orangey or anything.

brg5658 · November 24, 2015 3:51AM

Originally posted by: lordmarcovan

I want one of the 1863(?) "Bouquet" penny tokens with that much Red.

The "Bouquet Sou" tokens are from the 1830s. Maybe you meant 1836?

Broadstruck · November 24, 2015 4:07AM

Originally posted by: brg5658

Broadstruck, Nice detail on that one! I'd fathom a 63RB, maybe 64.

Is the obverse area from 7 to 10 o'clock stable? I'm always scared of having copper conserved...

Best, Brandon

brg5658, Thanks there's nothing problematic on this that would require conservation.

It's raw but looks as nice as any TPG 64 or 65 I've seen with less (cabinet

) friction on the thigh from knee to hip.

Broadstruck · November 24, 2015 4:12AM

Originally posted by: lordmarcovan

I'm not used to seeing those with so much Red!

I want one of the 1863(?) "Bouquet" penny tokens with that much Red.

Speaking of mint Red, and Canadian stuff, somebody on these forums has or had an 1871 Prince Edward Island cent in PCGS MS67 RD with blazing luster. Though that was posted more than a decade ago, it really made an impression on me and I still remember that coin.

Oh- and speaking of the St. George types, I gave a holed Bank of Upper Canada halfpenny token (1850? '57?) to a coworker of mine (who has since been promoted to become a boss of mine) to put on his keychain. He still has it there more than a year land a half later. The "pocket piece" wear on it actually looks pretty good. It's lighter in color than when I gave it to him, but not all orangey or anything.

lordmarcovan, I've seen a few with far more then trace red but they all had some spotting or smears which was distracting on the overall eye appeal.

I'd love to see what the 67RD PEI cent looked like.

brg5658 · November 24, 2015 4:16AM

Originally posted by: Broadstruck

Originally posted by: brg5658

Broadstruck, Nice detail on that one! I'd fathom a 63RB, maybe 64.

Is the obverse area from 7 to 10 o'clock stable? I'm always scared of having copper conserved...

Best, Brandon

brg5658, Thanks there's nothing problematic on this that would require conservation.

It's raw but looks as nice as any TPG 64 or 65 I've seen with less (cabinet

) friction on the thigh from knee to hip.

I'm glad it's stable -- hard to tell if that spot / line at 7 o'clock below the left floret by the date is raised "crust" that could come off.

The reverse details of the cornucopia and crown are hammered. The cape/cloak strap across the chest of St. George on the obverse is also well defined, as is the "sock" detail on his right calf muscle.

My 1857 penny I purchased in an ICCS MS60 flip, graded out at MS63BN at NGC (I thought it could have gone either AU58 or MS62/63). I have focused more on the half pennies than the pennies.

techwriter · November 24, 2015 5:11AM

Broadstruck, very, very nice! Be proud and display proudly

Broadstruck · November 24, 2015 7:20PM

I'm glad it's stable -- hard to tell if that spot / line at 7 o'clock below the left floret by the date is raised "crust" that could come off.

The reverse details of the cornucopia and crown are hammered. The cape/cloak strap across the chest of St. George on the obverse is also well defined, as is the "sock" detail on his right calf muscle.

My 1857 penny I purchased in an ICCS MS60 flip, graded out at MS63BN at NGC (I thought it could have gone either AU58 or MS62/63). I have focused more on the half pennies than the pennies.

brg5658, Thanks here's some main detail close-ups in which you can also see the spot/line is not an issue.

Broadstruck · November 24, 2015 7:21PM

Originally posted by: techwriter

Broadstruck, very, very nice! Be proud and display proudly

techwriter, Thanks!

brg5658 · November 24, 2015 11:00PM

Broadie, thanks for the close-up images. Those are much more reassuring! Congrats again.

Broadstruck · November 25, 2015 1:32AM

Originally posted by: brg5658

Broadie, thanks for the close-up images. Those are much more reassuring! Congrats again.

brg5658, Thanks as I was extremely happy once I saw it in hand when it arrived

lordmarcovan · November 25, 2015 2:03AM

Originally posted by: brg5658

Originally posted by: lordmarcovan

I want one of the 1863(?) "Bouquet" penny tokens with that much Red.

The "Bouquet Sou" tokens are from the 1830s. Maybe you meant 1836?

No, I know the pieces typically called "Bouquet Sous" were from the 1830s.

It was this Nova Scotia type I was thinking of. I guess that's not technically a bouquet on there.

I thought I had one dated 1863 on my old Holey Coin Vest. This picture is of an 1856.

Anyway, I like the design and would love to see a nice Red one.

Broadstruck · November 25, 2015 2:13AM

No, I know the pieces typically called "Bouquet Sous" were from the 1830s.

It was this Nova Scotia type I was thinking of. I guess that's not technically a bouquet on there.

I thought I had one dated 1863 on my old Holey Coin Vest. This picture is of an 1856.

Anyway, I like the design and would love to see a nice Red one.

lordmarcovan, Your wish has been granted

lordmarcovan · November 25, 2015 2:15AM

Oh, snap!

I want that!!!!

marcmoish · November 25, 2015 12:11PM

congrats - your wait paid off as that's a darn nice example!

I would venture 64RB easily from here

TomB · November 25, 2015 12:47PM

Dang! That looks like a substantial amount of hard, mint red.

Justacommeman · November 25, 2015 1:51PM

Well done sir! I always thought St George could use a longer sword for his dragon exploits

mark

lordmarcovan · November 25, 2015 6:24PM

Originally posted by: Justacommeman

Well done sir! I always thought St George could use a longer sword for his dragon exploits

mark

Indeed, though to be properly Greco-Roman, I guess that's a gladius he's wielding. His medieval portrayals usually show him with a much more effective lance in hand.

Broadstruck · January 8, 2016 2:51AM

Thanks everyone... Sorry as I didn't see the posts after & between LordMarcovan's

Originally posted by: lordmarcovan

Originally posted by: Justacommeman

Well done sir! I always thought St George could use a longer sword for his dragon exploits

mark

Indeed, though to be properly Greco-Roman, I guess that's a gladius he's wielding. His medieval portrayals usually show him with a much more effective lance in hand.

If you look closely at the belly of the dragon right under the hoof you'll see the tip of a broken off spear.

Broadstruck · January 8, 2016 2:54AM

Another joined the collection

1854 Upper Canada - One Penny Bank Token, Breton-719 / Charlton PC-6C1, Copper, 34mm Diameter.

brg5658 · January 8, 2016 4:58AM

Nice Broadie, I like the more even color on this 1854 than the 1857, particularly on the reverse.

Congrats.

brg5658 · January 8, 2016 5:11AM

Originally posted by: Broadstruck

Thanks everyone... Sorry as I didn't see the posts after & between LordMarcovan's

Originally posted by: lordmarcovan

Originally posted by: Justacommeman

Well done sir! I always thought St George could use a longer sword for his dragon exploits

mark

Indeed, though to be properly Greco-Roman, I guess that's a gladius he's wielding. His medieval portrayals usually show him with a much more effective lance in hand.

If you look closely at the belly of the dragon right under the hoof you'll see the tip of a broken off spear.

The original Pistrucci design of St. George and the dragon from the sovereign in 1817 had St. George wielding a broken spear. That design with the spear was used on the 1817-1820 George III sovereigns.

Starting in 1821, the George IV sovereigns were minted with the modified St. George and dragon rendition where the spear in his hand had been replaced with a rather short sword. The horse, rider, dragon, and ground were also reworked by Pistrucci. However, the broken spear tip can still be seen on the ground to the left of the dragon.

Broadstruck · January 8, 2016 9:47AM

Originally posted by: brg5658

Nice Broadie, I like the more even color on this 1854 than the 1857, particularly on the reverse.

Congrats.

brg5658 Thanks along with posting the spear sovereign

Newp... Upper Canada Bank Token :)

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