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Billy Butler vs. Chris Giminez, a classic!!!
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Missed the game and saw some replays showing the "discussion" these guys had. In the end, Butler won the argument and the Indians won the game.
To summarize if you missed it like me --- with the count at 1-2 Josh Tomlin appeared to ring Butler up with a pitch on the outside corner at the knees, only to have it called ball two, and the jaws started to flap!!!! Butler works the count full and then absolutely crushes a 440 foot bomb, flips his bat and hollers over his shoulder to Giminez as he slowly rounds the bases with the catcher and Umpire waiting at the dish.
Words are exchanged, benches are warned and the game returns to normal.
Oh, to be a fly on wall to hear what was really said between the two!!! My hunch is that Giminez said something to the Ump about the missed strike call, Butler responded and then we were off between the two. If you watch the video of the start, as he's stepping away from the plate Butler sort of waves the knob of the bat towards the catcher, then when he steps back in Giminez says something and the two almost squared off with the Ump stepping between them.
How the whole thing makes me long for the old days of baseball --- 20 years ago, after that altercation, Tomlin would have sat Butler down, he'd have charged the mound with the benches emptying and the Umpires would have had to sort things out. High drama for sure.
Baseball has been pussified and changed forever. The youth of today don't understand what the sport is really like and they are cheated because of that.
Al H.
To summarize if you missed it like me --- with the count at 1-2 Josh Tomlin appeared to ring Butler up with a pitch on the outside corner at the knees, only to have it called ball two, and the jaws started to flap!!!! Butler works the count full and then absolutely crushes a 440 foot bomb, flips his bat and hollers over his shoulder to Giminez as he slowly rounds the bases with the catcher and Umpire waiting at the dish.
Words are exchanged, benches are warned and the game returns to normal.
Oh, to be a fly on wall to hear what was really said between the two!!! My hunch is that Giminez said something to the Ump about the missed strike call, Butler responded and then we were off between the two. If you watch the video of the start, as he's stepping away from the plate Butler sort of waves the knob of the bat towards the catcher, then when he steps back in Giminez says something and the two almost squared off with the Ump stepping between them.
How the whole thing makes me long for the old days of baseball --- 20 years ago, after that altercation, Tomlin would have sat Butler down, he'd have charged the mound with the benches emptying and the Umpires would have had to sort things out. High drama for sure.
Baseball has been pussified and changed forever. The youth of today don't understand what the sport is really like and they are cheated because of that.
Al H.
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Now turn to today with the trade for Andrew Miller and how that bolsters the Indians bullpen back end. Then Lecroy vetoes his trade with the Indians. He wanted Cleveland to guarantee him starting and dropping his second year on his contract so he can become a free agent after this year. Not many in the baseball world understand his thinking and when the Indians players were asked about Lecroy they said if he doesn't want to be a part of this playoff chase then they don't really want him. I for one don't understand it either, but he does have that right since he has the no trade clause in his contract. We are to August and the Tribe are in the thick of a playoff chase. Nice to be a Cleveland sports fan right now and it will be fun battling a hot Detroit team the rest of the way. We shall see. Go Tribe!
we still have about eight hours and both Teams are playing tonight.
Regarding Lucroy, I hope he was just trying to negotiate and play an angle but now that he's overplayed his hand he'll admit the bluff and accept the trade. To take the poker analogy further, there are 4 cards to a flush and 4 cards to a straight on the board and Lucroy is holding a pair of 2s which completes neither. He made a bluff raise hoping for a fold (can't fault him for that), but the Indians re-raised him all in.
We will know by 4PM. If he doesn't accept he can no longer spin this fable:
Lucroy had told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel this offseason that he wanted to play for a contender.
"I want to win and I don't see us winning in the foreseeable future. I want to go to a World Series. That's what all players want. Rebuilding is not a lot of fun for any veteran guy," he said.
Source: ESPN
thinking about it, he may have hurt himself.
Teams will generally accommodate a player who wants to go to The Show or at least be involved in the playoffs. with Lucroy stopping a trade which would have helped the Brewers in the long term he may be sold outright to a Team that won't make the playoffs, one without the no-trade clause. that would rob him of his "want to win" hope and lock him into the contract year he doesn't like.
player's careers are to short and nothing is guaranteed. by blocking this deal it is certainly probable that he has lost an opportunity that may not present itself again.