I am at a loss right now. I have never, ever heard of the Mint making any 1964 Morgans and how could this news JUST NOW get released? I mean we've spent 50 years going over every single person involved with the Mint in 1964 plus their children and any large pets asking about details of the 1964-D Peace and you mean that somehow some 1964 Morgans were stuck as well and nobody has uttered a word about if till now?
I find this all really, really hard to believe and it reads more like an April 1st joke. I mean Coinworld and Coinweek should be BLOWING UP with this news but instead it got a brief, vague passing mention.
We should of hear rumors long before this. Oh and why would the owner(s) come forward? They do realize that if this is true that this would be considered stolen government property right?
Edit #2. Stacks seems to confirm this is real. 1964 Morgan
It is unclear if this book is claiming they were struck OR if they are confirming one has been discovered and shown to be genuine.
That is a big difference. The wording in the press release seems to say that not only were they stuck but at least one genuine example has been found.
Originally posted by: William We are hard at work confirming the details about the story and will publish them as we learn more about this amazing discovery.
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Yeah I am having the biggest coin nerd moment of my life right now. I think I speak for everyone and wanting to know if this is a confirmed striking or a confirmed discovery.
If that coin on the cover is the real thing and not a rendering (Like they do for the 1873-s Seated Dollars) that coin is the KING in my mind.
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Originally posted by: FredWeinberg I can't provide any details, except that it's never been released (heck, it wasn't known!) from any Government facility. Ie; it's still in govt. hands.
It would be a fantastic item to be put on display at the next ANA, that's for sure....
That is incredible. I fully understand you can't spill the beams but I am glad to hear that this was not melted down and is safe.
It will be very interesting to hear the details on this coin. It obviously must of been a very, very limited run because nobody (well not literally but close to it) has even heard of rumors of such a coin.
I would speculate maybe this coin was a struck as a precursor for the Denver Mint's preparation for striking the 1964-D Peace but this does not say this Morgan was struck at the Denver Mint so I will assume (until told otherwise) this was struck at the Philly Mint.
Agreed... I suspect that there is a section on Chinese counterfeits. This looks so wrong on so many levels. There is no possible way the mint in 1964 coils have made something that pathetic
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No one said the photo on the cover was of the actual coin.
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Now wait a minute. Pundits keep on saying there are no 1964-D Peace dollars out there because NONE have ever come to public light (ie rewards offered and no coins). So now a coin that no collector ever dreamed could have existed shows up. Does this change anyone's perception on a 1964-D Peace? Was the Morgan something owned by a former mint superintendent, etc.
Originally posted by: roadrunner Now wait a minute. Pundits keep on saying there are no 1964-D Peace dollars out there because NONE have ever come to public light (ie rewards offered and no coins). So now a coin that no collector ever dreamed could have existed shows up. Does this change anyone's perception on a 1964-D Peace? Was the Morgan something owned by a former mint superintendent, etc.
It would almost certainly be the case. A higher up at the Mint probably made sure not to let this get melted or lost.
What's the VAM number? Is it an early or late die state? Is it eligible for First Strike? Does it have Monster Toning? Is there a 7 day return privilege? Will it go into the registry set? Is it cheaper by the roll? Will it look good next to my 2021 gold one? Can I buy it with my eBay bucks? Why is there no space for it in my album? Do I get one free if I buy the book?
The "1964" date in that photo definitely looks "Chinese-ish". Is it a photo-shopped "1964" date over a 1921 picture, or is it a photo of an actual "1964"-dated Chinese piece ? Fred indicated that the photo might not be of the coin in question. So postulating the nature of the current photograph is only academic.
Originally posted by: lkeigwin Hey Daniel...let's put on hold your plan to release overstruck 1964 Morgans, okay? Lance.
I have considered a "1920" fantasy-date over-strike Morgan Dollar. But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.
A 2021-D Morgan will be fun in a few years though... overstruck on a 1921-D Morgan of course.
Neat idea. I was already planning to do pieces for the centennial of the last Morgan and the first Peace dollars. I had in mind to use this format, but in a 50mm 2-troy-oz size:
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Is this a joke?
Edit:
Coinworld is also running the story.
I am at a loss right now. I have never, ever heard of the Mint making any 1964 Morgans and how could this news JUST NOW get released? I mean we've spent 50 years going over every single person involved with the Mint in 1964 plus their children and any large pets asking about details of the 1964-D Peace and you mean that somehow some 1964 Morgans were stuck as well and nobody has uttered a word about if till now?
I find this all really, really hard to believe and it reads more like an April 1st joke. I mean Coinworld and Coinweek should be BLOWING UP with this news but instead it got a brief, vague passing mention.
We should of hear rumors long before this. Oh and why would the owner(s) come forward? They do realize that if this is true that this would be considered stolen government property right?
Edit #2.
Stacks seems to confirm this is real. 1964 Morgan
It is unclear if this book is claiming they were struck OR if they are confirming one has been discovered and shown to be genuine.
That is a big difference. The wording in the press release seems to say that not only were they stuck but at least one genuine example has been found.
What the deuce??
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Interesting.
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Coin World
We are hard at work confirming the details about the story and will publish them as we learn more about this amazing discovery.
William Gibbs, Managing Editor
Coin World
Yeah I am having the biggest coin nerd moment of my life right now. I think I speak for everyone and wanting to know if this is a confirmed striking or a confirmed discovery.
If that coin on the cover is the real thing and not a rendering (Like they do for the 1873-s Seated Dollars) that coin is the KING in my mind.
I am sure the Feds are curious too.
we could be looking at another case similar to the 1933 double eagles saga that just took many years!
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It's no joke, I can assure you all.
Can you give us a bit more than that?
Are you at liberty to say whether this is a confirmed striking or a confirmed one found?
it's never been released (heck, it wasn't known!)
from any Government facility. Ie; it's still in
govt. hands.
It would be a fantastic item to be put on
display at the next ANA, that's for sure....
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I can't provide any details, except that
it's never been released (heck, it wasn't known!)
from any Government facility. Ie; it's still in
govt. hands.
It would be a fantastic item to be put on
display at the next ANA, that's for sure....
That is incredible. I fully understand you can't spill the beams but I am glad to hear that this was not melted down and is safe.
It will be very interesting to hear the details on this coin. It obviously must of been a very, very limited run because nobody (well not literally but close to it) has even heard of rumors of such a coin.
I would speculate maybe this coin was a struck as a precursor for the Denver Mint's preparation for striking the 1964-D Peace but this does not say this Morgan was struck at the Denver Mint so I will assume (until told otherwise) this was struck at the Philly Mint.
So insane.
Lance.
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No one said the photo on the cover was of the actual coin.
Thank God!
Now wait a minute. Pundits keep on saying there are no 1964-D Peace dollars out there because NONE have ever come to public light (ie rewards offered and no coins). So now a coin that no collector ever dreamed could have existed shows up. Does this change anyone's perception on a 1964-D Peace? Was the Morgan something owned by a former mint superintendent, etc.
It would almost certainly be the case. A higher up at the Mint probably made sure not to let this get melted or lost.
I'll keep an open mind for now. If it's not some kind of prank, Cool!
Is it an early or late die state?
Is it eligible for First Strike?
Does it have Monster Toning?
Is there a 7 day return privilege?
Will it go into the registry set?
Is it cheaper by the roll?
Will it look good next to my 2021 gold one?
Can I buy it with my eBay bucks?
Why is there no space for it in my album?
Do I get one free if I buy the book?
I'm all ears.
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I can't provide any details, except that
it's never been released (heck, it wasn't known!)
from any Government facility. Ie; it's still in
govt. hands.
It would be a fantastic item to be put on
display at the next ANA, that's for sure....
The question is what was going on at the Mint in 1964?
The question is what was going on at the Mint in 1964?
For one, making a pile of 1964-d Peace dollars.
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Now I feel like an Ace.
I never knew that was even considered a thing.
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Looks like a Shanghai Special to me.
Yup.......should be all the rage by Christmas
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Is it a photo-shopped "1964" date over a 1921 picture, or is it a photo of an actual "1964"-dated Chinese piece ?
Fred indicated that the photo might not be of the coin in question.
So postulating the nature of the current photograph is only academic.
Holy mid-century Anna batman!... I'm having a total Morgasm right now!
Hey Daniel...let's put on hold your plan to release overstruck 1964 Morgans, okay?
Lance.
I have considered a "1920" fantasy-date over-strike Morgan Dollar.
But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.
Hey Daniel...let's put on hold your plan to release overstruck 1964 Morgans, okay?
Lance.
I have considered a "1920" fantasy-date over-strike Morgan Dollar.
But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.
A 2021-D Morgan will be fun in a few years though... overstruck on a 1921-D Morgan of course.
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Hey Daniel...let's put on hold your plan to release overstruck 1964 Morgans, okay?
Lance.
I have considered a "1920" fantasy-date over-strike Morgan Dollar.
But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.
A 2021-D Morgan will be fun in a few years though... overstruck on a 1921-D Morgan of course.
Neat idea. I was already planning to do pieces for the centennial of the last Morgan and the first Peace dollars. I had in mind to use this format, but in a 50mm 2-troy-oz size:
Well either way it looks like we'll at least see a "1965" Morgan soon right Dan
Technically that is possible.
But I think I would rather do the "1920" fantasy-date over-strike instead.