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What the deuce? 1964 Morgan dollar in the latest Redbook?

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    planonitplanonit Posts: 525 ✭✭
    What?!?

    Is this a joke?

    Edit:
    Coinworld is also running the story.

    I am at a loss right now. I have never, ever heard of the Mint making any 1964 Morgans and how could this news JUST NOW get released? I mean we've spent 50 years going over every single person involved with the Mint in 1964 plus their children and any large pets asking about details of the 1964-D Peace and you mean that somehow some 1964 Morgans were stuck as well and nobody has uttered a word about if till now?

    I find this all really, really hard to believe and it reads more like an April 1st joke. I mean Coinworld and Coinweek should be BLOWING UP with this news but instead it got a brief, vague passing mention.

    We should of hear rumors long before this. Oh and why would the owner(s) come forward? They do realize that if this is true that this would be considered stolen government property right?


    Edit #2.
    Stacks seems to confirm this is real. 1964 Morgan

    It is unclear if this book is claiming they were struck OR if they are confirming one has been discovered and shown to be genuine.

    That is a big difference. The wording in the press release seems to say that not only were they stuck but at least one genuine example has been found.
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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    Look for this coin to be listed on eBay soon...

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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What the deuce??
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    PRECIOUSMENTALPRECIOUSMENTAL Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭
    Added to my bookmarks......

    "The Truth Is Out There."

    ( 'The X-Files' intro)

    Interesting.
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    WilliamWilliam Posts: 43 ✭✭✭
    We are hard at work confirming the details about the story and will publish them as we learn more about this amazing discovery.

    William Gibbs, Managing Editor
    Coin World
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    planonitplanonit Posts: 525 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: William
    We are hard at work confirming the details about the story and will publish them as we learn more about this amazing discovery.

    William Gibbs, Managing Editor
    Coin World


    Yeah I am having the biggest coin nerd moment of my life right now. I think I speak for everyone and wanting to know if this is a confirmed striking or a confirmed discovery.

    If that coin on the cover is the real thing and not a rendering (Like they do for the 1873-s Seated Dollars) that coin is the KING in my mind.

    I am sure the Feds are curious too.
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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You all know, if this coin wasn't "officially released", and someone other than the government owns it,

    we could be looking at another case similar to the 1933 double eagles saga that just took many years!

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

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    CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭✭
    Is it April 1st already?
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    carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I checked the calendar twice to make sure it wasn't April 1. Holy catfish!
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    3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭
    cool, looking forward to learning more!
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    MercuryMercury Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭✭
    a 1964 Peace Dollar, ok , but a Morgan Dollar.... I am at a loss.
    Collecting Peace Dollars and Modern Crap.
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's no joke, I can assure you all.
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
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    planonitplanonit Posts: 525 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: FredWeinberg
    It's no joke, I can assure you all.


    Can you give us a bit more than that?

    Are you at liberty to say whether this is a confirmed striking or a confirmed one found?
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't provide any details, except that

    it's never been released (heck, it wasn't known!)

    from any Government facility. Ie; it's still in

    govt. hands.



    It would be a fantastic item to be put on

    display at the next ANA, that's for sure....
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
    for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
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    pcgs69pcgs69 Posts: 4,262 ✭✭✭✭
    what? I need to rethink everything I know.
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    planonitplanonit Posts: 525 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: FredWeinberg
    I can't provide any details, except that
    it's never been released (heck, it wasn't known!)
    from any Government facility. Ie; it's still in
    govt. hands.

    It would be a fantastic item to be put on
    display at the next ANA, that's for sure....



    That is incredible. I fully understand you can't spill the beams but I am glad to hear that this was not melted down and is safe.

    It will be very interesting to hear the details on this coin. It obviously must of been a very, very limited run because nobody (well not literally but close to it) has even heard of rumors of such a coin.

    I would speculate maybe this coin was a struck as a precursor for the Denver Mint's preparation for striking the 1964-D Peace but this does not say this Morgan was struck at the Denver Mint so I will assume (until told otherwise) this was struck at the Philly Mint.

    So insane.
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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is the new Guidebook on Chinese counterfeits.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey Daniel...let's put on hold your plan to release overstruck 1964 Morgans, okay?

    Lance.
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agreed... I suspect that there is a section on Chinese counterfeits. This looks so wrong on so many levels. There is no possible way the mint in 1964 coils have made something that pathetic

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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I waiting for the 1964 Ike image

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No one said the photo on the cover was of the actual coin.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
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    3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: FredWeinberg
    No one said the photo on the cover was of the actual coin.


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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So let me get this straight ...

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now wait a minute. Pundits keep on saying there are no 1964-D Peace dollars out there because NONE have ever come to public light (ie rewards offered and no coins). So now a coin that no collector ever dreamed could have existed shows up. Does this change anyone's perception on a 1964-D Peace? Was the Morgan something owned by a former mint superintendent, etc.
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    planonitplanonit Posts: 525 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: roadrunner
    Now wait a minute. Pundits keep on saying there are no 1964-D Peace dollars out there because NONE have ever come to public light (ie rewards offered and no coins). So now a coin that no collector ever dreamed could have existed shows up. Does this change anyone's perception on a 1964-D Peace? Was the Morgan something owned by a former mint superintendent, etc.




    It would almost certainly be the case. A higher up at the Mint probably made sure not to let this get melted or lost.

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭


    I'll keep an open mind for now. If it's not some kind of prank, Cool!
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    OverdateOverdate Posts: 6,939 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What's the VAM number?
    Is it an early or late die state?
    Is it eligible for First Strike?
    Does it have Monster Toning?
    Is there a 7 day return privilege?
    Will it go into the registry set?
    Is it cheaper by the roll?
    Will it look good next to my 2021 gold one?
    Can I buy it with my eBay bucks?
    Why is there no space for it in my album?
    Do I get one free if I buy the book?

    I'm all ears. image

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin looks like a 1921 that has been faked with the 1964 date.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    woogloutwooglout Posts: 200 ✭✭✭
    Am I taking crazy pills? Oh wait, I forgot to take them...
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    USMarine6USMarine6 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Am I the only one that's noticing the doubling on the bridge of the nose and neck?
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    CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: FredWeinberg
    It's no joke, I can assure you all.


    +1
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    garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: FredWeinberg

    I can't provide any details, except that

    it's never been released (heck, it wasn't known!)

    from any Government facility. Ie; it's still in

    govt. hands.



    It would be a fantastic item to be put on

    display at the next ANA, that's for sure....




    The question is what was going on at the Mint in 1964?
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    Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Guess that's one way to sell books....
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: garrynot



    The question is what was going on at the Mint in 1964?




    For one, making a pile of 1964-d Peace dollars.



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    sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,026 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I miss the delete option. image

    "If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"

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    sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,026 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What the deuce is right.

    Now I feel like an Ace.

    I never knew that was even considered a thing.

    "If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"

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    Bob1951Bob1951 Posts: 268 ✭✭
    Sigh! Just another new fantasy coin that I will never own.image
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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: FadeToBlack
    Looks like a Shanghai Special to me.


    Yup.......should be all the rage by Christmas

    Steve
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    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Holy mid-century Anna batman!... I'm having a total Morgasm right now!
    The more you VAM..
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The "1964" date in that photo definitely looks "Chinese-ish".
    Is it a photo-shopped "1964" date over a 1921 picture, or is it a photo of an actual "1964"-dated Chinese piece ?
    Fred indicated that the photo might not be of the coin in question.
    So postulating the nature of the current photograph is only academic.
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CascadeChris
    Holy mid-century Anna batman!... I'm having a total Morgasm right now!


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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lkeigwin
    Hey Daniel...let's put on hold your plan to release overstruck 1964 Morgans, okay?
    Lance.


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    I have considered a "1920" fantasy-date over-strike Morgan Dollar.
    But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.

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    illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dcarr
    Originally posted by: lkeigwin
    Hey Daniel...let's put on hold your plan to release overstruck 1964 Morgans, okay?
    Lance.


    image

    I have considered a "1920" fantasy-date over-strike Morgan Dollar.
    But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.





    A 2021-D Morgan will be fun in a few years though... overstruck on a 1921-D Morgan of course.
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    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well either way it looks like we'll at least see a "1965" Morgan soon right Dan image
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    csdotcsdot Posts: 680 ✭✭✭✭
    If rolled out correctly, a major discovery like this certainly would have potential to reignite public interest in the hobby of coin collecting.
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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it just some foolish "newly" discovered counterfeit, and they are playing this up? If so, dumb!
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: illini420
    Originally posted by: dcarr
    Originally posted by: lkeigwin
    Hey Daniel...let's put on hold your plan to release overstruck 1964 Morgans, okay?
    Lance.


    image

    I have considered a "1920" fantasy-date over-strike Morgan Dollar.
    But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.





    A 2021-D Morgan will be fun in a few years though... overstruck on a 1921-D Morgan of course.


    Neat idea. I was already planning to do pieces for the centennial of the last Morgan and the first Peace dollars. I had in mind to use this format, but in a 50mm 2-troy-oz size:

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CascadeChris
    Well either way it looks like we'll at least see a "1965" Morgan soon right Dan image


    Technically that is possible. image

    But I think I would rather do the "1920" fantasy-date over-strike instead.

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