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Trump is winning because he is not PC. Let's talk in non-PC coin terms.

DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
Doctors?

58 vs. 62?

Lasered proof gold?

Natural toning?

"Done Deals?"

Blue Indian Proofs?



Let's hear it. You guys need to speak the truth for a change.
Doug
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Laura spoke the truth and won her election image
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You don't want to hear the truth, lol
    Doug
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can we have a sober moment about the coin biz?
    Doug
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin show circuit will look completely different in a few years. Less shows/venues. The current structure is a joke and unsustainable. Shows are too frequent and some last a month.



    Dealers polish up those websites and maybe organize a few well placed smaller boutique shows in places people actually want to go to.



    mark







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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Justacommeman

    The coin show circuit will look completely different in a few years. Less shows/venues. The current structure is a joke and unsustainable. Shows are too frequent and some last a month.



    Dealers polish up those websites and maybe organize a few well placed smaller boutique shows in places people actually want to go to.



    mark











    I'm with you brother. You are very correct!

    Doug
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Take the varieties for instance ... With the 1856 coins, I have both 64's and the 62. Those are the only graded above 60. Will one upgrade? I don't know but I know it will be mine.
    Doug
  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You don't hear much about 'sliders' any more.

    I guess those are "+" designations now in the PC world.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mark, I've been saying the same thing for maybe 10 years and it hasn't changed yet. there is a social aspect of coin shows, for both dealers and collectors, that works well enough to continue the trend. the onus is upon dealers to show that there are too many shows and that there should be more a more diverse selection of locations, but I really don't expect that to happen. I believe that if 50 dealers knew they could go to an out-of-the-way location to do business with each other that they would go, and when the public learned of the "show" that they would magically appear. it most likely wouldn't work the other way.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image Great comments are forthcoming.
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely agree on "too many coin shows", there are the usual local shows which I am sure that everyone could attend in their localized area. There should be a fewer Major shows, maybe one a month, and no longer than a week in duration. Do we really need more than one Baltimore, MD show per year? Florida? California? Chicago? Dallas? Dealers are spread pretty thin I would imagine, and are away from their offices too much to deal with phone-in customers or reply back to email inquiries in a timely manner.
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Peacock Ikes.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are no local shows in my area... and there are coin collectors. No national shows since this area is not a major tourist destination. I did not know there were PC coin terms... well, yeah, maybe 'toning' instead of 'tarnish'...image Cheers, RickO
  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Economic catastrophe
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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The TRUTH is, that for most coin Collectors, Numismatics will be a losing proposition when they sell. Yes, there are exceptions, as in long held collections, or an occasional cherry pick.



  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    - Grading is truly subjective; sometimes 58=62 and 62=58. At times, 62 can be replaced with 61 or 63.

    - Anything graded MS-65 or higher should *never* be ugly. or have negative eye appeal. Try not to collect these, they are always ugly at selling time.

    - Dealers or sellers that pooh-pooh the 'millennials' are aiding in killing the hobby. The constant conspiracy grouch in perpetual misery might have been fine decades ago, but is a poor numismatic ambassador in today's social media world.

    - There is really no excuse anymore to lack basic photography skills for taking coin images.

    - Not taking flexible forms of payment at a show is becoming archaic. Yes, it's your business and you can say cash only, but how much money are you leaving behind by being inflexible?
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: oih82w8

    Definitely agree on "too many coin shows", there are the usual local shows which I am sure that everyone could attend in their localized area. There should be a fewer Major shows, maybe one a month, and no longer than a week in duration. Do we really need more than one Baltimore, MD show per year? Florida? California? Chicago? Dallas? Dealers are spread pretty thin I would imagine, and are away from their offices too much to deal with phone-in customers or reply back to email inquiries in a timely manner.




    Three shows a year is barely enough. This is the only national show in this area.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grading is way over rated



    mark
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  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Justacommeman
    Grading is way over rated

    mark


    Ungraded moderns are way underrated.

    BTW, waitta slip and slide your political support into the thread title, DMWJR!
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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,955 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grading is way over rated

    mark


    Amen

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: oih82w8
    Definitely agree on "too many coin shows", there are the usual local shows which I am sure that everyone could attend in their localized area. There should be a fewer Major shows, maybe one a month, and no longer than a week in duration. Do we really need more than one Baltimore, MD show per year? Florida? California? Chicago? Dallas? Dealers are spread pretty thin I would imagine, and are away from their offices too much to deal with phone-in customers or reply back to email inquiries in a timely manner.


    There are on 5 major shows....FUN, Central States, Long Beach and Baltimore and ANA a year.
    And these are all 4 or 5 day shows except for ANA.

    I don't understand this statement.

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: mr1874
    Grading is way over rated

    mark


    Amen


    No it isn't. Mark is one of my favorite people here on these boards but I gotta disagree here on this note.

    Carry on....

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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,543 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lincoln penny collectors have low energy.
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Baltimore: three that I saw this year; April, July, Nov 2016



    There LOTS of coin shows going on throughout the country, some major, mostly smaller..."just a pecking on the surface";





    ERROR 113!!!!!!





    Just place your state in place of "XX"



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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: DIMEMAN

    Originally posted by: oih82w8

    Definitely agree on "too many coin shows", there are the usual local shows which I am sure that everyone could attend in their localized area. There should be a fewer Major shows, maybe one a month, and no longer than a week in duration. Do we really need more than one Baltimore, MD show per year? Florida? California? Chicago? Dallas? Dealers are spread pretty thin I would imagine, and are away from their offices too much to deal with phone-in customers or reply back to email inquiries in a timely manner.




    There are on 5 major shows....FUN, Central States, Long Beach and Baltimore and ANA a year.

    And these are all 4 or 5 day shows except for ANA.



    I don't understand this statement.







    Aren't there three Long Beach shows, two FUN shows, two Baltimore shows, two ANA shows, and a whole pile of PCGS invitationals (arguably not major shows) along with the others you listed???



  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cash is good. Switching to other forms of payment will merely speed up the decline of the hobby by moving us to a system in which the big financial institutions squeeze a percentage from every transaction and eventually eliminate the use of coins altogether. Once coins are gone from usage the hobby will decline at a very rapid pace. Don't be surprised if this happens in the next quarter century.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BryceM

    Originally posted by: DIMEMAN

    Originally posted by: oih82w8

    Definitely agree on "too many coin shows", there are the usual local shows which I am sure that everyone could attend in their localized area. There should be a fewer Major shows, maybe one a month, and no longer than a week in duration. Do we really need more than one Baltimore, MD show per year? Florida? California? Chicago? Dallas? Dealers are spread pretty thin I would imagine, and are away from their offices too much to deal with phone-in customers or reply back to email inquiries in a timely manner.




    There are on 5 major shows....FUN, Central States, Long Beach and Baltimore and ANA a year.

    And these are all 4 or 5 day shows except for ANA.



    I don't understand this statement.







    Aren't there three Long Beach shows, two FUN shows, two Baltimore shows, two ANA shows, and a whole pile of PCGS invitationals (arguably not major shows) along with the others you listed???





    There are three Baltimore shows.

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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The TRUTH is, MS70 has purpled a lot of copper. Some seem oblivious to this.
  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grumpy old men and snobby dealers steer YN's away from the hobby. Be nice, treat us "Millenials" with respect, teach us something (yes, we like to learn despite what you hear) and promote the hobby...you're going to need us to buy your coins some day!
  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There IS an inner circle.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: DNADave

    There IS an inner circle.







    Yup. It's called "The Circle of Trust". There's also a "Circle of Rust". Guess which one I belong to.image

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are a lot of people making a living on the backs of collectors......
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BryceM

    There are a lot of people making a living on the backs of collectors......




    Try being a collector without coin dealers. They provide a service that facilitates collecting.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

  • brg5658brg5658 Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PerryHall

    Originally posted by: BryceM

    There are a lot of people making a living on the backs of collectors......




    Try being a collector without coin dealers. They provide a service that facilitates collecting.




    That may be true, but a lot of them are also quite ignorant and sleazy.



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  • mingotmingot Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: brg5658
    Originally posted by: PerryHall
    Originally posted by: BryceM
    There are a lot of people making a living on the backs of collectors......


    Try being a collector without coin dealers. They provide a service that facilitates collecting.


    That may be true, but a lot of them are also quite ignorant and sleazy.



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  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ShadyDave

    Grumpy old men and snobby dealers steer YN's away from the hobby. Be nice, treat us "Millenials" with respect, teach us something (yes, we like to learn despite what you hear) and promote the hobby...you're going to need us to buy your coins some day!




    Coin dealers have been grumpy and old since coin dealers were invented by Croesus.



  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: brg5658

    Originally posted by: PerryHall

    Originally posted by: BryceM

    There are a lot of people making a living on the backs of collectors......




    Try being a collector without coin dealers. They provide a service that facilitates collecting.




    That may be true, but a lot of them are also quite ignorant and sleazy.







    From my experience most are not that way.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

  • CertifiedGoldCoinsCertifiedGoldCoins Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭
    At the really big shows, backroom deals are made for cash. Collectors should be able to get in the action, with all coins out in the open. Let's make numismatics great again.
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  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Justacommeman
    The coin show circuit will look completely different in a few years. Less shows/venues. The current structure is a joke and unsustainable. Shows are too frequent and some last a month.

    Dealers polish up those websites and maybe organize a few well placed smaller boutique shows in places people actually want to go to.

    mark





    With the instant info traveling at anyone's finger tips .. yes ...it is the start of the end of coin shows . but still nice to go
  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmm.

    Let's see, what would be politically incorrect,

    Did we really need to sign into law 50,000 $5 pink gold coins (approximately 75%, gold, 20% copper, and 5% silver) in 2018 to provide a $35 donation for breast cancer? It is a good cause, and I am fine with anyone who wants to, to donate all they want, but to force it on modern gold coin commemorative collectors it is a bit much IMO. Why not also make a $1.00 stamp with a pink ribbon that could be issued now for those that want them that is good for a 47 cent or First Class mail letter Forever and let those profits go there as well? Or maybe they already did as I don't follow stamps much?
  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Goldminers

    Hmm.



    Let's see, what would be politically incorrect,



    Did we really need to sign into law 50,000 $5 pink gold coins (approximately 75%, gold, 20% copper, and 5% silver) in 2018 to provide a $35 donation for breast cancer? It is a good cause, and I am fine with anyone who wants to, to donate all they want, but to force it on modern gold coin commemorative collectors it is a bit much IMO. Why not also make a $1.00 stamp with a pink ribbon that could be issued now for those that want them that is good for a 47 cent or First Class mail letter Forever and let those profits go there as well? Or maybe they already did as I don't follow stamps much?




    Of course you don't have to buy it if you don't want
  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Of course you don't have to buy it if you don't want"

    Very true, but since I collect them, I will buy it, but it is a trend that seems to be increasing to use coins for charity.

    There were approximately 41,000 deaths to women and about 400 men died in 2012 from breast cancer and it is something that needs to be studied more and I am totally supportive. There are 27,000 men that died in 2012 of prostate cancer as well.

    Hardly ever see much about research money for them, but maybe we can get one in blue platinum/palladium alloy in 2019, just to be fair.

    I am pretty sure if Hillary gets into office she will extend the immensely popular First Spouse gold coins to include her husband, and I will have to buy that coin as well.image
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PerryHall

    Originally posted by: BryceM

    There are a lot of people making a living on the backs of collectors......




    Try being a collector without coin dealers. They provide a service that facilitates collecting.




    What makes you think I was referring to coin dealers? They weren't who I had in mind!

  • ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭✭
    I am pretty sure if Hillary gets into office she will extend the immensely popular First Spouse gold coins to include her husband, and I will have to buy that coin as well.image


    Awesome. image

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BryceM

    Originally posted by: PerryHall

    Originally posted by: BryceM

    There are a lot of people making a living on the backs of collectors......




    Try being a collector without coin dealers. They provide a service that facilitates collecting.




    What makes you think I was referring to coin dealers? They weren't who I had in mind!





    CAC?image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Timely thread! image
  • PaleElfPaleElf Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PerryHall
    Originally posted by: BryceM
    Originally posted by: PerryHall
    Originally posted by: BryceM
    There are a lot of people making a living on the backs of collectors......


    Try being a collector without coin dealers. They provide a service that facilitates collecting.


    What makes you think I was referring to coin dealers? They weren't who I had in mind!


    CAC?image


    First Strike? Signature Tabs? Retro OGC?
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't understand politically correct. What is the meaning of that in numismatics ? Susan B. Anthony vs. the Shoshone woman ?
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Politically correct is not dissing SBA or Sacagewea. Disrespect Andrew Jackson instead. Or any forefather who owned slaves. That's PC.



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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 30,977 ✭✭✭✭✭






    I am pretty sure if Hillary gets into office she will extend the immensely popular First Spouse gold coins to include her husband, and I will have to buy that coin as well.image




    First louse?

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