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1858/7 Flying Eagle cent Snow-1 Strong and weak now being graded by PCGS
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PCGS will now be listing the 1858/7 early die state as "Strong" under the coin number 2022.
A new number has been created for the late die state pieces as "Weak" under the coin number 532214.
A new number has been created for the late die state pieces as "Weak" under the coin number 532214.
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No, the 1858/7 S7 is a separate variety. This is to distinguish between early and late die state pieces on the 1858/7 S1.
Well I can imagine there is little incentive to reholder weak examples
The won't be Photo Sealed, that's for sure.
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/composite.aspx?c=2163
<< <i>but do we really need to collect both the strong and weak and the S7 for the complete variety set? >>
Good point.
I don't see any problem stating it on the slab, but why add it to the complete variety set? I would certainly rather see other Snow varieties in that set before simple a later die state of the same variety.
<< <i>Is there any other variety set that includes die stages? >>
I think for the minor varieties in the wheat cent series the 1922 weak D and 1922 No D Weak Reverse come from the same die pair but from different stages. At least that is what is how it has been explained to me. Though I think in both states there is some degree of a "D" visible, I forget what the tolerance is in order for the coin to be classified as No D weak reverse.
An excellent explanation can be found here: Lincoln Cent Resource
Edit to add that both the No D Weak Reverse and Weak D are required for the complete variety set.
The registry shows 1858/7 S1 Strong and 1858/7 S7. These are two totally separate varieties, not die states of the same thing. The 1858/7 S1 weak is blanked out. If this changes, then yes, it should not stand.
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<< <i>Is there any other variety set that includes die stages? >>
Bust halves have the bearded goddess, broken and patched 3, single leaf.
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The more varieties the better.
<< <i>I can understand them deciding to recognize it, but do we really need to collect both the strong and weak and the S7 for the complete variety set? That's just not right. Die states? What about all the other true varieties that have Snow numbers.
The registry shows 1858/7 S1 Strong and 1858/7 S7. These are two totally separate varieties, not die states of the same thing. The 1858/7 S1 weak is blanked out. If this changes, then yes, it should not stand.
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Rick,
Your link to the set shows a divisor of 54 which includes 3 points for the blanked out weak variety, so it appears that the coin will be required to complete the set.
Doug
We have two coins that are the same die, but one is a later state than the other. I don't see why we would have to have both, especially if we have a "strong."
Why would this get pushed along when there are so many other compelling additions?
Thanks,
I see that PCGS does not include both examples in the Major Varieties set. However, it still has it in the Complete Variety set.
Regardless, I don't know why they show this as a different variety when it is in fact the same variety, just polished down. Maybe if it used a different reverse, I could possibly see that since it would be different die marriage but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Many things in coin grading are subjective. What caused a die variety can also be speculative. However, a variety and/or die pairing are facts. It is either different variety, or it is a duplicate.
This really needs to be changed.