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Topic Title: 1989 Fleer Randy Johnson Marlboro Errors
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Created On: 8/12/2012 11:55 PM
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 8/12/2012 11:55 PM
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I'm interested in buying and/or trading for some of the Marlboro error cards if anyone is looking to get of some of theirs. Graded preferred, but I'm also interested in raw cards.

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 8/13/2012 6:39 AM
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Tried to send PM but looks like you have turned off. I have 2 Green tint errors and also have red tint and black box in the mail on way to me, all are in Exmt to Nrmt and with a couple better.

Let me know if interested.

My email is [email protected]

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 8/13/2012 7:52 AM
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<< BST Thread >>



The marlboro cards seem to be black sheep of error cards. There is very little published about the cards. I know that board member jacksoncoupage has created a page to help list and describe some of the variations. I think the way that BGS now labels cards "black box", "green tint" & "red tint" is probably a direct result of his work, but there really hasn't been much new discussion on the cards in several years and I've never come across any information on the actual methods used to edit the Marlboro sign off of the card. I know nothing about the printing process, but I was hoping some experts would be able to describe how the editing would make it onto the card. Was it done to the original photo, the printing plates, post production, or some other method? I'm looking to buy or sell for some of the cards, but I would really like to find out more about the cards, so I didn't want to just post this on LGBT boards. Thanks.
 8/13/2012 7:59 AM
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<< Tried to send PM but looks like you have turned off. I have 2 Green tint errors and also have red tint and black box in the mail on way to me, all are in Exmt to Nrmt and with a couple better.
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I'd love to see the cards. PSA has done this card a disservice by only labeling them Ad on Scoreboard, Ad Partially Obscured or Completely Blacked Out. It's a mass over simplification that they have a very difficult time applying consistently to the cards. I've seen error cards labeled as Completely Blacked Out and the common card listed as Ad Partial. There are even several different cards that can be labeled "Green Tint", "Red Tint" and "Black Box" so those labels are still a bit autonomous.
 8/13/2012 9:28 AM
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I actually have several variations, but not the Marlboro ad variation

I have the black box, the green tint, the red tint, then the partially obscured red tint (there is a difference)

Not sure which have been accepted or not as true variations, but considering it took 20 years for them to be even noted anywhere (not that it wasnt know about), it might take a while longer

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 8/13/2012 10:13 AM
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Scans would be good.....

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 8/13/2012 11:27 AM
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Here is the one that I have...



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Thanks swartz1. Her are the 3 I have but not sure how well they will show up. i think I read some where there are as many as 6 or 8 degrees on this card:



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 8/13/2012 1:50 PM
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<< Here is the one that I have...

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That card is commonly called a "Green Tint Black Scribble", but there isn't any black scribbling actually on the card. There is a blob of red tinting around the letters in Marlboro and that is covered over by a green tinting. PSA would usually apply the "Ad Partially Obscured" label on it. I've seen BGS label it both a "Green Tint" and "Marlboro Ad on Scoreboard" recently. It is considered one of the rarer versions of the Marlboros, but there are other similarly rare Marlboro cards too.
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<< Thanks swartz1. Her are the 3 I have but not sure how well they will show up. i think I read some where there are as many as 6 or 8 degrees on this card: >>




The card on the left is the common card that was mass produced. PSA labels that card as "Completely Blacked Out". The problem with that is that they also label some of the error cards as "CBO". It would be like PSA calling the Ripken FF "Scribble Over Error" version the same as the "Black Box Over Error" because the error is covered over in black on both cards. BGS also labels some of the errors and common card as the same thing too. There are way more than 6 or 8 different Marlboro cards.
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Then that's what I want to see....show them off someone

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<< Then that's what I want to see....show them off someone >>



The two other cards that you posted are both pretty rare. I can't tell for sure what green version that is, but all the green tints other than the "box"versions of the card are rare. The card in the middle is one of the clearer versions of the card. People usually pay more for the cards with less tinting because of the PSA "Ad on Scoreboard" designation with it's associated higher book price.
 8/14/2012 12:29 AM
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The top card pictured is Labeled by BGS as "Green Tint" and the same card they label as "Marlboro Error" in the next image. Then PSA has a common card labeled a "Ad Partially Obscured" followed by this card which PSA labeled "Ad Completely Blacked Out". It seems the experts may be a little confused.
 8/14/2012 5:37 AM
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Thanks, Hatorade

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 8/14/2012 9:39 AM
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Hatorade and anyone else,


I have a bunch of these (raw) in all different variations....


I was waiting to grade them, but I basically will sell them all if people want to buy them quick ...

Ill try to post them on here for you guys to see....


thanks

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 8/14/2012 12:16 PM
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@Bishop

The image on the left is interesting. It appears to be a blacked-out version with a discolored center. Do you have a larger or close-up of the sign area scan available?

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