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General question concerning protocols for coin transactions.

PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
When someone has a coin for sale on the BST forum, the buyer usually sends the money first and the seller then sends the coin once he gets the money in hand. However, if I make a post looking to buy a certain coin and another forum member contacts me that he has that coin, does he send me the coin first and then I send him a check after I receive the coin or do I send him payment first and then he sends me the coin? What is customary? Obviously, if both parties know each other well and there is a high level of trust, it doesn't matter who goes first and they could both send the coin/payment at the same time. But, what if both parties to this transaction are relative strangers here?

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  • RobbRobb Posts: 2,034
    Payment first.
    imageRIP
  • To add to that - when doing a coin for coin trade what is the protocol for that since both parties are possibly out tangible assets?

    Sorry, didn't mean to add to your thread but this is something I've been wondering myself.
    "If we are facing in the right direction, all we need to do is keep on walking." - David Brent
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i> But, what if both parties to this transaction are relative strangers here? >>

    If one of them can provide good references and the other can't, the one who can should probably be allowed to complete his end of the transaction after the other party has done so. If neither can provide good references, perhaps a well known third party could serve as a middleman.
  • Send payment first. If it is a fraud, one can easily find what account it was deposited in to - just keep track of you documents and check number.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Send payment first. If it is a fraud, one can easily find what account it was deposited in to - just keep track of you documents and check number. >>

    With (as the expression goes) all due respect, that might sound fine and dandy. But on a practical basis, it is often extremely difficult to recover the funds in that type of situation.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,697 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When one creates the listing, he also drafts the protocol. It's your deal. You make the terms.
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is really a lot of info needed to give an answer:

    1) Do you know each other? If so, then there should be no issue.
    2) If you do not know each other--a third party is best.
    3) If you do not know each other and a third party is not doable for whatever reason, the buyer should remit payment and upon receipt the seller sends item.
    4) If one person is well known on the forum and has many references and the other does not have any, then the one without should bow to the other.
    5) If your situation does not fall into 1 thru 4, pay via paypal and be comforted that you have some insurance should the deal go south.

    Jim

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>When one creates the listing, he also drafts the protocol. It's your deal. You make the terms. >>



    Excellant point.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will gladly provide escrow service for a nominal fee.image

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  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Both make the terms and stick by them. I'd want payment first, but hold it pending buyer's satisfaction.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I will gladly provide escrow service for a nominal fee.image >>



    Looking at your sig line, you certainly have ample references.image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have had hundreds of BST transactions with dozens (at least 50) unique sellers and never a problem. Usually, I send a check when I buy a coin and request a check when I sell it. Depending on how well 1 know the other party, and vice versa, the check and coin may cross in the mail, the coin might get shipped upon receipt of the check, or the check might be held.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the amount of loss is more than you would take to the table. Play safe and do it threw PayPal untill both parties feel good enouph to go the check route.
    There ends up being a bad apple on there (BST) about once a year or so.
    After a few deals it gets so thousand's of dollars worth of coins and checks can be crossing in the mail some times with the right people. Even lines of credit can be arranged.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,625 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most of my transactions, as seller, I either get the money first or, I cross-ship (sometimes, due to work, I try to cross-ship but the money gets here in just a day or two).
    Usually, as a buyer, I don't mind sending the money first, particularly if a known entity, but find that many folks ship the coin right away as well, so it is a cross-ship anyway.

    If it is a seller I don't know, and they take paypal, I'll use paypal and pay the fee that way, if there is an issue, I have some safety.

    Thankfully, on all sides, I have not had issues in the many transactions from $10-$5000 I have had on here. I do find it interesting in that, there is at least 1 member I have bought from a few times and it seems to be their policy to ship nothing until receiving the funds. That's fine, but, having dealt with the person, and meeting them in person, multiple times, I find the delay on a $50 item "interesting".

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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