AT or NT?®

cheezhed · March 17, 2010 2:57AM

Or environmental damage?

telephoto1 · March 17, 2010 3:00AM

NT, tape adhesive residue. Bummer.

MadMarty · March 17, 2010 3:01AM

NT but a BB at PCGS right now.

truthteller · March 17, 2010 3:03AM

The tape residue will come off with acetone and a cotton swap. The color and toning pattern is cool. MS63. Some collectors pay a premium.

TRUTH

kryptonitecomics · March 17, 2010 3:04AM

NT looks like an end roller and I don't believe it would BB at PCGS or NT....what is everyone else seeing that I am not???

ponderit · March 17, 2010 3:09AM

NT. I like it. There's plenty to look at on that one.

DIMEMAN · March 17, 2010 3:15AM

Beautiful coin and they should grade it for what it is and let us decide if we like the toning or not!!!!

Mesquite · March 17, 2010 3:18AM

NT

Marauderrt10 · March 17, 2010 3:21AM

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this coin. It's an end roller, they look like that.

gsaguy · March 17, 2010 3:26AM

<< There's absolutely nothing wrong with this coin. It's an end roller, they look like that. >>

Strongly disagree. End rollers are rarely toned on both sides and typically show more than a single square pattern as this one shows....ie...more likely to see lines at something akin to angles of 45 degrees or so. Assuming the colors are natural (and I'm not venturing a guess) I think the box pattern on the reverse is either something that was situated under the coin as it sat, or perhaps tape as others speculated here.

gsaguy · March 17, 2010 3:37AM

The more I look at the piece, the more I'm inclined to say it is album toned and the square patch represents the end of a short piece of cloth that would have been used to dislodge the coin from the slot in which it was set.

I think many of the holders for commems were designed that way and left a band on toning on the coin's reverse. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm all wet.

InternetJunky · March 17, 2010 3:38AM

<< NT but a BB at PCGS right now. >>

Flatwoods · March 17, 2010 3:40AM

I agree that it doesn't look like an average end roller.
The toning looks natural but that square on the reverse is odd.
If it was tape residue I would expect it to extend to the rim.
It was also toned before that square was "covered", or it was covered loosely enough to tone underneath at a slower rate.

Interesting coin.

Flatwoods · March 17, 2010 3:42AM

gsaguy answered while I was typing.
I think something similar to his theory is likely.

kryptonitecomics · March 17, 2010 3:49AM

I have seen plenty of double sided end roll coins becuase the coin toned on one side and then the roll was opened and then the coin ends up flipped so the other side toned. With that being said...there really is no way of knowing for sure becuase to me it looks like a coin taken out of a roll and thrown in an album. When a coin has more than one type of toning then usually it's a head scratcher but this one looks like a classic end roller with secondary toning from possible and album

Either way I don't see any tape residue in the image......?

doh · March 17, 2010 3:54AM

NT

gsaguy · March 17, 2010 4:21AM

<< I have seen plenty of double sided end roll coins becuase the coin toned on one side and then the roll was opened and then the coin ends up flipped so the other side toned. With that being said...there really is no way of knowing for sure becuase to me it looks like a coin taken out of a roll and thrown in an album. When a coin has more than one type of toning then usually it's a head scratcher but this one looks like a classic end roller with secondary toning from possible and album

Either way I don't see any tape residue in the image......? >>

The problem I have with that scenario Krypto is that the obverse, for a coin with so much toning, shows absolutely nothing (at least not that I can see) of the folds of the paper that would have imparted the toning. We already can see from the reverse that the coin/paper (assuming end roll toning) is predisposed to leaving evidence of nice lines.

I stand by my original wild-ass guess.

pmac · March 17, 2010 5:15AM

<< NT, tape adhesive residue. Bummer. >>

My WAG is toning in an envelope with tape(for some reason) and the tape was removed along with the adhesive removed with acetone, additional toning in an envelope to where it is today. This would leave the toning marks along the sides of the tape.
After looking again, possibly the coin was mounted (similar to stamps) then the above happened.

TwoSides2aCoin · March 17, 2010 5:21AM

I think it should grade as NT with a provenance to "Strange Places".

TONEDDOLLARS · March 17, 2010 9:01AM

GsaGuy My two cents

Your idea is certainly a valid thought and would be one of my guesses. Another thought would be that it might have been stored in a envelope, thus the consistent coloration of toning. The reverse could have had a piece of tape on the envelope holding it closed and sat on its reverse. I know that I read somewhere that you never put an elastic band around coins in packaging, because this caused discoloration on the surface. (toning to use tone lovers)

Like you just my opinion

gsaguy · March 17, 2010 9:14AM

<< GsaGuy My two cents

Your idea is certainly a valid thought and would be one of my guesses. Another thought would be that it might have been stored in a envelope, thus the consistent coloration of toning. The reverse could have had a piece of tape on the envelope holding it closed and sat on its reverse. I know that I read somewhere that you never put an elastic band around coins in packaging, because this caused discoloration on the surface. (toning to use tone lovers)

Like you just my opinion >>

The part that bothers me about the tape holding the envelope closed is that the tape would be on the outside of envelope, not the inside, right? Or are you saying that just the presence of the tap on the other side of the envelope would be enough to cause that square pattern?

Flatwoods · March 17, 2010 9:23AM

That is an interesting theory. I suppose the tape could block air flow through the envelope and somehow cause that box.
I don't see it causing that profound of a difference though.

kryptonitecomics · March 17, 2010 9:31AM

Ok while we are throwing out theory's...I think that is where the square beam from the martian space ship hit the coin to pull it into the mother ship with a tractor beam......the coin made it into the early stages of the atmosphere but then due to a breakdown in the dilithium crystals in the warp core chamber, the ship...(cloaked of course) had to move into higher orbit thus breaking the hold on the coin. Damn Martians...they ruin everything

AT = Atmosphere Toned

cheezhed · March 17, 2010 9:39AM

And you guys were doing so good up until that post.

TONEDDOLLARS · March 17, 2010 10:14AM

Tape on the outside and the added thickness made it the high point and thus the coin for the most part rested on that area allowing a little more air flow thus the toning. Just as a valid an explanation as any.

Shane, keep it real there boy

truthteller · March 17, 2010 10:24AM

I have purchased many estates in the past, and found all sorts of toning patterns on coins, so this pattern is nothing knew. Some BTW commemoratives were issued in special holders having tape affixed to the back. Often times, you will see this toning pattern, akin to the dollar in the OP, with toning surround the tape. Once the tape residue is removed, the color remains. In addition, many coins in the past have been "attached" in some way to mailing envelopes, paper inserts, etc and have identical patterns. Although this pattern is not common, I has seen hundreds of coins like this.

TRUTH

Flatwoods · March 17, 2010 10:33AM

I have seen many coins that were taped to something ie: the bottom of a drawer or table.
They would show a mark like this coin but usually all the way across.

I bought some coins from a guy one time and asked what caused the stripe and he said that his father had taped them
to the bottom of a drawer 30 years ago.

kryptonitecomics · March 17, 2010 12:11PM

<< Tape on the outside and the added thickness made it the high point and thus the coin for the most part rested on that area allowing a little more air flow thus the toning. Just as a valid an explanation as any.

Shane, keep it real there boy >>

Ok I was guessing that the ship was cloaked but your right Jack.....I was just embelishing on the story by adding that...

GoldenEyeNumismatics · March 17, 2010 12:22PM

nt

Newmismatist · March 17, 2010 12:26PM

Definitely not End Roll toning - the coin either sat on some type of rectangular tab, or there was tape on the coin at some point (then likely removed) I like GSA Guys theory - a rectangular tab of a different substance than whatever type of holder (or album) that the coin was stored in would explain the toning that we see.

Coin has the appearance of an NT coin, but as I've aid many times, its difficult to make that call from an image on a computer screen.

AT or NT?®

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