does anyone have a favorite 2009 lincoln error pick or picks that they feel should be entered in the
tahoe98
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....guide book?
i know there are many many discovered and wondered which one or ones are worthy ofinclusion in the CPG. your thoughts?
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<< <i>DDO >>
....are you referring to this DDO?
<< <i>skeleton finger. >>
....enlighten me. what is this variety?
<< <i>CDDR-009 >>
...is this the one?
Not trying to derail your thread or anything, but there are many, many more significant lincoln varieties that belong in the CPG before we start putting these finger blobs in the book. Where is the 1995 DDO#2? How about the 1996 DDO #1, #2 and 1996-d DDO?? 2006 DDO (the big one) not the current earlobe variety?? Some of the older ones? 1941 DDO#3? 1971-d DDO? 1972-s DDO business strike?? I could go on and on.
If you really want to get a good idea of what is out there, pick up Flynn/Wexler's new addition of the guide to lincoln cents varieties. It is just about all inclusive.
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<< <i>CDDR-009 >>
...is this the one? >>
Affirmative.
<< <i>My fav......
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There are 3 that stand out.
WDDR 001
WDDR 002
WDDR 009
I like them in that order. The 009 being the hardest to find though.
CDDR-001 "Extra Thumb"
CDDR-002 "Sixth Finger"
CDDR-009 "Skeleton Finger"
The Skeleton Finger from my own personal experiences and from what others are saying is the toughest of the three to find. The CDDR-009 is also paired with the CDD0-002 showing slight notching he lower left corners of ERTY in LIBERTY. With strong extra thickness on the lower hair and beard details. Light extra thickness shows on the date with a notch showing on the underside of the top left of the 2 and on the bottom left corner of the 2.
It is believe that the "Skeleton Finger" is the toughest because the obverse die shared it's production time with the lesser double die reverse (CDDR-006) which failed sometime during the production run and the die was pulled and replaced with a new reverse die which was the CDDR-009 (Skeleton Finger)! As these two reverse DDRs ( CDDR-006 & CDDR-009 with CDDO-002) each shared part of the production run, then each of them would have much less of them being produced as compared to one individual Formative Year DDR that made a full production on its own. Therefore, this variety has a lot less of them and harder to find compared to the other listed Formative Year varieties.
Yes, the magnification in the pictures is completely different, but my point is as far as doubled dies go, these are dramatic. It can be debated back and forth with some saying there are too many discovered. Which I personally don't see any shortage right now, but that also means there are plenty for collectors to pick up and they are marketable as well. Might not be a $100+++ coin, but The Big Three (and possibly others) should be recognized in the major error guides with respectful value.
<< <i>DCW, I hear you on your hesitance stemming from being burned in the past. But these are true DDR's recognized by Crawford, Wexler, Copper Coins, CONECA, and others. Regarding needing imagination....how much imagination do you need to see a sixth finger. IMHO you might need a little more imagination to see a doubled ear:
Yes, the magnification in the pictures is completely different, but my point is as far as doubled dies go, these are dramatic. It can be debated back and forth with some saying there are too many discovered. Which I personally don't see any shortage right now, but that also means there are plenty for collectors to pick up and they are marketable as well. Might not be a $100+++ coin, but The Big Three (and possibly others) should be recognized in the major error guides with respectful value. >>
There is no shortage right now because the millions of cent collectors out there don't even know about these yet.
If you don't have any right now, then grab some before you have to pay through the nose for them.
"....This offering is from J. T. Stanton, co-author of the Cherrypickers' Guide."
Am I correct on this? If so, then if the co-author of the Cherrypickers' Guide is selling them you would think they would one day be listed, or at least they are very well aware of these varieties.
<< <i>I find it interesting that if you look at the items being sold on eBay by "savannah0904" many of them are these double dies from the 2009 Formative Years. AND that it appears that this eBayer is J.T. Stanton co-author of the Cherrypickers' Guide. In some of the item descriptions it reads:
"....This offering is from J. T. Stanton, co-author of the Cherrypickers' Guide."
Am I correct on this? If so, then if the co-author of the Cherrypickers' Guide is selling them you would think they would one day be listed, or at least they are very well aware of these varieties. >>
....hmmmm, i guess we'll find out in the next 'guide'
Some Personal Thoughts on the 2009 Lincoln FY DDR Varieties
These coins have HUGE upside potential. In the 2009 Edition of Yeomen’s Redbook alone, there are over 30 different varieties of Lincoln Cents noted since 1959. Most of these are fairly minor varieties such as large or small dates, or “close” AM’s. While these are all very interesting – the collector has to know what they are looking for to make a find. They would not be obvious to the uninformed person.
Obvious “extra appendage-type” varieties of Lincoln Cents are relatively rare. The 1984 “doubled-ear” caused quite a stir at the time, and is currently listed in the Redbook for $250. These are currently selling for $150-200 each. There are likely other obscure varieties as well – but these will be even less-known to the average collector.
Now I’m not suggesting the “six-finger” variety will be a $100+ coin in 10 years, but I do believe it will have a significant place in Lincoln Cent history. It is said there are “too many” of these DDR sub-varieties in 2009 for real significance – and that may be partially true. But there are about 3-5 of these varieties that are both significant in ease of IDENTITY and in sufficient QUANTITY that many average collectors can own.
Varieties of Significant Interest: (The following are personal observations I am sharing based on the 200+ US Mint LP2 Mint boxes I have personally searched and carefully tabulated.)
2009 FY CDDR-002 “sixth-finger”: Most will agree that it is one of the most popular varieties. It is scarcer than the CDDR-001, and most obvious for identification. (and a WAY COOL factor)
2009 FY CDDR-001 “doubled-thumb”: One of the most common varieties, I have found about 2 CDDR-001’s for every 1 CDDR-002 coins in rolls that contain both. They are easy to identify, and also COOL.
2009 FY CDDR-006 “skeleton-finger”: A longer finger version of the CDDR-002, this variety has been found only in one specific date of mint roll boxes, and was presumably struck in far fewer numbers. (WAY COOL and scarcer)
There are many more varieties that deserve attention in this series, but most require a fair degree of close magnification and study for identification. In my opinion, the above three varieties will be the most popular in the long run.
As for inclusion in popular coin references -- keep hounding PCGS and J.T. Stanton (Cherrypickers Guide) for inclusion in their attributions. [I have conversed with Stanton on these -- he is watching -- but is waiting to see overall collector interest before moving forward]
All I can say is HAVE FUN with this STILL-FINDABLE modern variety! Isn't that what the "hunt" is all about?
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This being said -- I believe at least the top 3+ varieties deserve a place in both the Redbook and the Cherrypickers Guide -- FWIW.
From a collector's perspective in this case, I would rather be given the finger than an ear.
Thanks Manordude --
The ones with the most availability and are the most easy to see should be put in there. The dots and dashes should not.