Pan Pac $1 - Opinions?

Windycity · December 12, 2009 5:26AM

What do the gold experts say about this Pan Pac $1 gold????

darktone · December 12, 2009 5:41AM

are you wondering if it's real or do you want a grade opinion?

derryb · December 12, 2009 5:51AM

real, 65 would be my non-expert opinion.

edited to add: counterfeit, shows what I know about these.

Windycity · December 12, 2009 6:04AM

First, it is real? Here are a couple other closeup pics of markers.

blu62vette · December 12, 2009 6:06AM

I am looking at a PCGS 65 example and I dont see the dots.

Can posts pics if you like.

darktone · December 12, 2009 6:13AM

Here's mine for comparrison.

Windycity · December 12, 2009 10:52AM

counterfeit?

blu62vette · December 12, 2009 11:03AM

Unless they used a couple die pairs....

truthteller · December 12, 2009 11:40AM

Without seeing the coin in hand, my vote is counterfeit due to the overall mushiness of strike. A mintstate coin will be highly lustrous with a high quality strike. The example given has a mushy earlobe of the worker and lack of detail of the hair both behind and in front of the ear.

However, if the coin is polished or has altered surfaces, this opinion would change.

This coin was heavily counterfeiting in years past. Breen and Swiatek give a small, yet interesting writeup in their commemorative book on this coin.

TRUTH

jsf · December 12, 2009 11:46AM

I've been looking at a number of these lately. Shopping, again.

I believe I'd have to pass on that piece.

kaz · December 12, 2009 11:47AM

My first thought on seeing the raised bumps was "counterfeit." I believe there are also toolmarks on the lower jaw, towards the right.

Windycity · December 12, 2009 12:02PM

I think you all know what you're doing. Appears to be a very eye appealing counterfeit. Very well done .

BillyGoatsGruff · December 12, 2009 12:31PM

Counterfeit.

coolest · December 12, 2009 12:45PM

What is going on at the rim?

RWB · December 12, 2009 1:29PM

14 obverse and 19 reverse dies were shipped. I don’t know how many pair were used.

darktone · December 12, 2009 7:18PM

I am no expert by any means but my first thoughts were counterfiet.

PerryHall · December 12, 2009 8:58PM

This coin has been heavily counterfeited and this is one of them. The heavy reeding (probably broached), the tooling, and the raised bumps from trapped air bubbles created when the dies were cast are dead giveaways.

kaz · December 12, 2009 9:05PM

Good job spotting the funky reeding! I missed that one. A lot of fake gold dollars have that as well.

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