1877-S Trade Dollar with date doubling - question?

GRANDAM · October 13, 2008 4:52AM

Is there any premium for this doubling of the date? I am ass/u/ming it is machine doubling and I am wondering if it is worth the money to have it recognized on the label? Will PCGS even recognize it?

Thanks, GrandAm

guitarwes · October 13, 2008 4:55AM

looks too pronounced to be machine doubling to me. I don't have my CPG in front of me, maybe someone who does will chime in.

Since I don't do Trade $'s, I've never looked at that section in the CPG.

-wes

tahoe98 · October 13, 2008 4:58AM

.....it appears to be machine doubling.

lathmach · October 13, 2008 5:16AM

I discovered this variety around 1996.
I wrote an article on it for the Gobrecht Journal, which was published in Issue #70 in November of 1997, page 34 and 35.
This Trade Dollar has the Type 2L obverse and Type 2L reverse.
The 2L obverse has 4 fingers on the hand holding the olive branch with a small protrusion on the index finger of the other hand.
The top of the right ribbon tip is not doubled, and the ribbon tips point down toward the date.
The Type 2L reverse has 2 smooth tail feathers blending down the back of the tail, and there is no berry under the eagles claw.
This variety has the medium S mintmark.
My example has the doubling under the flag like yours, but there is a similar amount of doubling under the bottom of the 7.
Your specimen has to be a later die state.
There is a picture of mine in the Gobrecht Journal article, taken by Tom Mulvaney.
Edited:
This is not machine doubling. It is a repunched date.
Ray

19Lyds · October 13, 2008 5:26AM

Wow Gary!

I have no doubts that this is not Machine Doubling. There is far too distinct a separation on the end of that 7!

Now the only question is: "Is it attributable?"

GRANDAM · October 13, 2008 5:29AM

lathmach,

Thanks for the info so far!

Is this a listed Cherry Pickers Variety? Any premium on it?

Thanks, GrandAm

lathmach · October 13, 2008 5:37AM

I don't know if this is in the cherrypickers guide.
It is strange that the repunching at the bottom of the 7 doesn't show on your piece.

Ray

GRANDAM · October 13, 2008 5:42AM

<< <i>It is strange that the repunching at the bottom of the 7 doesn't show on your piece. >>

It may not show in the photo but it is clearly seen in-hand.

I just got an e-mail from a member of "THE IKE GROUP" who tells me it is listed on page 304 of The Cherry Pickers Guide.

That IKE Group knows everything don't they

Now if I can just find that dang CPG

I know it is here somewhere

GrandAm

sumdunce · October 13, 2008 7:06AM

FS-301 of the Cherrypicker's Guide. States $250.00 in XF40.

V/R

Sumdunce

sumdunce · October 13, 2008 7:07AM

Also, I see doubling on the bottom of the "7" in the picture.

V/R

S

keoj · October 14, 2008 11:56AM

One the interesting aspects to this coin, in addition to the 7 over 7, is the reverse. I've had a couple of these coins (RPD 7). If you look closely, you might see a S over S on the mintmark. Let me know if you have this variety. This is actually a tough variety to find. Congrats.

keoj

crypto79 · October 14, 2008 10:12PM

there are so few trade dollars collectors that most verities carry little premium other then the red book two (75 s/cc and 76cc ddr). Hell, there are 2 different OBV types and two different REV types and different combos in 75, and 76 across all the mints and proofs and cir types not to even count chops and some of them are super rare and they don't carry much of any premium. Trade dollars for the most part have tiny mintages and a much higher loss% due to melting and travel then most series but due to little interest they are ripe to be collected by budget minded collector if they don't mind staying away from UNC's as just about every date is a rarity in that grade range.

MFH · October 15, 2008 12:26AM

Thank you Gary for educating me on the RPD; I'll check mine when I get to the SDB's.

1877-S Trade Dollar with date doubling - question?

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