Can the source/cause of NT for one coin be unacceptable for another?

CalGold · February 27, 2006 1:55AM

Say I removed a nicely toned commemorative from its tab card and put a Barber half in its place and left it tone over time. Assume for this hypothetical that the sulfur and other chemicals in the cardboard holder were still “active.” If the Barber tab toned would it be NT? Would it be market acceptable? Would your answer be different if instead of a Barber I inserted a replacement commem that was white?

CG

RYK · February 27, 2006 2:44AM

That's an interesting point that I have thought about quite a bit with respect to toned coins. It is my belief that where there is intent to tone a coin, the coin is not naturally toned. While the results may be visually appealing, indistinguishable from a coin sitting in an album or coin board or in an envelope for 40 years, and market acceptable, the intent to accelerate toning or create an effect makes the coin "AT". I am not a toned coin enthusiast and would not pay a "toning premium", so perhaps my personal viewpoint is irrelevant.

MrBreeze · February 27, 2006 2:59AM

I promised myself not to respond to toning threads, but I could not help it. I had the same thought as CalGold. If I put some coins in an old book or 2x2 or whatever, with the intention of toning the coin, is that artificial toning? I guess the market and the people who purchase toned coins would decide what has value and what the value is, but, I find it hard to find any black/white in this entire topic. The whole topic of AT vs NT seems arbitrary. On another note, why is dipping not considered artificial toning (or artificial "un"toning, as it may be)?

RedneckHB · February 27, 2006 3:06AM

My take is this. If a coin is stored in a holder/album that is made for the display or ease of coin collecting then it is naturally toned.

BigE · February 27, 2006 3:08AM

CalGold, as you stated in your previous postwhats the point in seeking advice from a bunch of guys on the internet

-------------------BigE

CalGold · February 27, 2006 3:21AM

Big E, there is a difference between this type of hypothetical which calls for a Socratic discussion and jump to firm conclusion posts about specific coins

CG

carl · February 27, 2006 3:27AM

For what it's worth since coins are different pending their dates, denomination, wear, handling coatings and on and on, Thier toning will or should always be slightly different. Even the different elements and/or compounds in the air change with seasons, invironment, time of day, movement, etc. For instance if you live in an area where there are coal or any fossil fuel burning factories, foundries, power stations, and the wind blows thier exhaust towards you, coins will react differently than if the wind is blowing the opposite direction. Then there is naturally the factor of the coal burning being Sulfur rich fossil fuels. Naturally since coins have different compositions, they would react differently as to thier toning per such invironmental modifications and material reactions. Also, any coin contaminations in the cardboard originally would have deminished in strength due to reactions with the coin that was there previously. This would slow down such reactions with any new coin now inserted in the holder.
I'm not a tone coin collector so I just wouldn't try it to see possible toning.

Hadleydog · February 27, 2006 3:33AM

On another note, why is dipping not considered artificial toning (or artificial "un"toning, as it may be)?
Dipping, or 'stripping' as I refer to it, actually alters the surface of the coin be removing a thin layer. Isn't that the definition of doctoring.........purposely altering the surface condition?
My take is this. If a coin is stored in a holder/album that is made for the display or ease of coin collecting then it is naturally toned.
Agreed.

CalGold · February 27, 2006 3:37AM

<< <i>If a coin is stored in a holder/album that is made for the display or ease of coin collecting then it is naturally toned. >>

So does a tab holder made for a specific commem qualify for holding a Barber?

CG

Fairlaneman · February 27, 2006 4:12AM

<< <i>Big E, there is a difference between this type of hypothetical which calls for a Socratic discussion and jump to firm conclusion posts about specific coins

CG >>

So if a opinion is given here it just will not be from a bunch of guys on the internet that do not know chit.

Yea Right....as long the opinion matches yours all will be cool....

Ken

Hadleydog · February 27, 2006 4:13AM

So does a tab holder made for a specific commem qualify for holding a Barber?

Yes. It's when you start 'adding' to the process that it becomes unacceptable. Just my humble opinion, which with $1.70 will buy you a cup of java.

RYK · February 27, 2006 4:17AM

Ah, come on, guys, this is an interesting discussion. Let's stay on track.

Fairlaneman · February 27, 2006 4:22AM

Everyone

Pull your coins out of holders and containers that just might impart some tone on them. You, by leaving them in the containers/holders/albums are doing a grave injustice to numismatics. It makes no difference that the stated ways of storing coins has been done for decades.

Only now is it pointed out by the esteemed Cal Gold that you just may be a Doctor. What a Doof he is !!

Ken

mozin · February 27, 2006 4:26AM

Tab toning only belongs on Classic Commems, and only on those that were actually distributed in such holders.

A Barber with tab toning would be a joke.

RedneckHB · February 27, 2006 4:45AM

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<< <i>If a coin is stored in a holder/album that is made for the display or ease of coin collecting then it is naturally toned. >>

So does a tab holder made for a specific commem qualify for holding a Barber?

CG >>

YES.

Tab toning only belongs on Classic Commems, and only on those that were actually distributed in such holders.

Whether it is a joke or not is irrelevent. It may look out of place, but it would still be natural.

TwoSides2aCoin · February 27, 2006 5:19AM

all toning is : CT (chemically toned, and that is just as natural as acid rain

)

wait, then there is TT (thermal toning, I nearly forgot)

Can the source/cause of NT for one coin be unacceptable for another?

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