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So, which is worse? Paying huge money for bogus "classic" toners, or collecting moderns?

RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
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At least with the stuff I collect, (cameos), it's pretty easy to detect the one type of doctoring that happens - artificial frost. Doesn't seem to be so easy with these big money toners.

Come one, come all to the safety of the moderns market!

Russ, NCNE
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  • TrinkettsTrinketts Posts: 1,699 ✭
    Recently I have a new found love for Bust coinage especially the quarters... and damn it's hard to distinguish what has been cleaned or not...

    But I have to admit I love making top pop moderns...

    Pulled 3 more MS65+ 2006 Jeffersons last night after going through 200 more rolls this week.
    Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing about. -Benjamin Franklin-
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ultra-high grade moderns don't do it for me.

    Bogus or questionable classic toners don't either.

    Can I just go back to stamps? image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • TrinkettsTrinketts Posts: 1,699 ✭


    << <i>Ultra-high grade moderns don't do it for me.

    Bogus or questionable classic toners don't either.

    Can I just go back to stamps? image >>



    At least you can't take a blowtorch to a stamp or dunk it in chemicals image
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  • TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭✭
    Why not, you can dump the stamp in chemicals, a blowtouch will end the stamp problem real quick too.....

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>At least you can't take a blowtorch to a stamp or dunk it in chemicals >>



    No blowtorches, but there's plenty of doctoring that goes in in the stamp market. The most common is "artificial gum."

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,016 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there a third choice... please?
    When in doubt, don't.
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    That's OK, I can just go back to my Bar Date Jefferson nickels and BIE Lincolns.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • tcmitssrtcmitssr Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭
    Russ, you're a nice guy and you sell a great product. As my pal, Tony Kornheiser says..."we kid because we love".

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    You collect modern crap.

    Come, join real numismatists and collect coins older than you that have acquired the deep, rich, rainbow of colors making them extremely valuable!


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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Moderns are looking better all of the time.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is there a third choice... please? >>



    Okay, anybody who doesn't want the first two choices has to collect VAMs. image

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    How about sticking with old gold where rainbow toning does not seem to be an issue. image

    Gold is pretty good at blocking the elements unlike silver.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Okay, anybody who doesn't want the first two choices has to collect VAMs.

    image

    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How about sticking with old gold...?

    We have our "issues", too.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I feel safe enough with 150-210 year old coins in grades like "very good"

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  • lavalava Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭
    Russ, just curious if you could post a picture showing artificial frost. I'm not sure I have ever seen it, but this intrigues me. Do any of those get slabbed by PCGS or NGC?
    I brake for ear bars.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Do any of those get slabbed by PCGS or NGC? >>



    I've encountered several PCGS graded examples, but have never come across an NGC graded example.

    Here's one that's graded PR67CAM:

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    Russ, NCNE
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  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's something to be said for being the original owner to something.. I still have my reciepts for my 2004 and 2005 proof platinum coins.
    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,016 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Okay, anybody who doesn't want the first two choices has to collect VAMs."


    YAAYYY... Now there's something neat and fun for everyone!!
    When in doubt, don't.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,090 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Paper money is plagued with problems such as tear repairs, trimmed edges, starching, bleaching, hole repairs, etc. Any collectable of value has the potential of that product being fraudulently modified to increase that product's value.



    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Guess what most dealers think of this thread. image
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    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor

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