Thats pretty sad that someone took the time to do that. My bad there was a brain fart with another qb that doesnt change anything other than what hand he throws with but sure
@Basebal21 said:
Thats pretty sad that someone took the time to do that. My bad there was a brain fart with another qb that doesnt change anything other than what hand he throws with but sure
Basebal, just having a little fun with you. But you do have quite a reputation for not ever admitting you could be wrong. So I just saw an opportunity to rib you a little.
You’re right it can be easy to mix up QB’s, there are a lot of college teams.
@bgr said:
Mendoza is more polished than Sayin and I think Indiana may have a better WR corps. overall than OSU.
We will see who has the best WR corp come Saturday.
I mean. I can admit that Smith is just a stud out there. Ponds is playing great and it's still pretty impossible to stop Smith anytime Sayin has time in the pocket. It's tough to see what Indiana can do against OSU's secondary with Cooper going down early. If Mendoza doesn't underthrow that it's probably a TD and Cooper isn't on the sidelines.
This is another example of Ryan Day climbing onto his shell, it seems he has to do it at least once a season. Last year he did it in the Michigan game and, surprise surprise, they lost by the same score against Michigan, 13-10.
Hard to figure. Barring a miracle the Hoosiers win. Hats off to them for a game well played.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
This is another example of Ryan Day climbing onto his shell, it seems he has to do it at least once a season. Last year he did it in the Michigan game and, surprise surprise, they lost by the same score against Michigan, 13-10.
Hard to figure. Barring a miracle the Hoosiers win. Hats off to them for a game well played.
Last year against Michigan he refused to play to their strengths and throw the ball, I didn't like him not kicking the FG when Sayin got stopped short on 4th and 1 but outside that Indiana's D is playing better than anyone expected and Ohio States Pass D is not good tonight
Now the question becomes where does the Committee drop Ohio State to?? That’s where the Politics of the playoff comes in as they try to get the matches they prefer.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
LOL OSU thats the Ryan Day special. Theyll drop to 4
If Duke holds on though theres some big problems here. Miami should be ahead of ND but they have a chance of being the first team to make the playoffs without even playing in the conference championship. Two G5 teams would be an absolute joke especially leaving out the ACC entirely to do so or removing Bama for any ACC or G5 team.
What a glorious performance from Indiana. Somebody in this thread asked if Indiana could win if they scored 17, topping any previous Ohio opponent. Well, they scored 13 and that was enough. Their defense played out of their minds.
Just Google Cignetti. He wins. Indiana was 3-9 two years ago.
@Basebal21 said:
Well Duke wins the ACC so now we have some problems
Means the only ACC team that has a shot at the playoffs is Miami.
But thats the biggest problem. A team from the same conference that didnt even play in the conference championship makes it while the team that won the conference sits at home? Then you get into the possibility of a power 4 conference which are the best by far in football not having a team in the playoffs and two G5 teams
@Basebal21 said:
Well Duke wins the ACC so now we have some problems
Means the only ACC team that has a shot at the playoffs is Miami.
But thats the biggest problem. A team from the same conference that didnt even play in the conference championship makes it while the team that won the conference sits at home? Then you get into the possibility of a power 4 conference which are the best by far in football not having a team in the playoffs and two G5 teams
The tricky thing is that Miami and Duke didnt play each other. So a 2 loss Miami should get in over a team thats unranked..even if they won the conference.
@Basebal21 said:
Well Duke wins the ACC so now we have some problems
Means the only ACC team that has a shot at the playoffs is Miami.
But thats the biggest problem. A team from the same conference that didnt even play in the conference championship makes it while the team that won the conference sits at home? Then you get into the possibility of a power 4 conference which are the best by far in football not having a team in the playoffs and two G5 teams
The tricky thing is that Miami and Duke didnt play each other. So a 2 loss Miami should get in over a team thats unranked..even if they won the conference.
But then thats just saying the ACC championship means nothing and its better to stay out of a conference championship game and that it wont help you and can only hurt you
@Basebal21 said:
Well Duke wins the ACC so now we have some problems
Means the only ACC team that has a shot at the playoffs is Miami.
But thats the biggest problem. A team from the same conference that didnt even play in the conference championship makes it while the team that won the conference sits at home? Then you get into the possibility of a power 4 conference which are the best by far in football not having a team in the playoffs and two G5 teams
The tricky thing is that Miami and Duke didnt play each other. So a 2 loss Miami should get in over a team thats unranked..even if they won the conference.
But then thats just saying the ACC championship means nothing and its better to stay out of a conference championship game and that it wont help you and can only hurt you
But something is flawed here. If Miami and Duke played, who do you think would win? My money would be on Miami.
Great game last night even though I lost money on OSU
Taking my financial loss out of it it really was a great game, Indiana's D was the difference imo
OSU not being able to establish the run and Sayin getting bum rushed was brutal for OSU
On OSU late drive in the Red Zone, Bo Jackson was an inch away from breaking away but literally one hand on his thigh from a defender tripped him up for some reason, then they just couldn't punch it in, Sayins knee hit the ground before he could lunge forward on 4th and 1, I would have kicked the FG but won't crucify Day for going for it.
Missing that ridiculous 26 yard FG was inexcusable
Indiana played great got to give them credit.
I got to say if this game was played 10 times I think each team would win 5 out of 10
Things really get messy and confusing when the right teams don’t win and 12 people sitting in a room are left to decide who gets to play for the Natty. If only a Conference Champion could play for the National Championship it would eliminate all the guess work. It would piss off a lot of people but everyone is already pissed off.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Things really get messy and confusing when the right teams don’t win and 12 people sitting in a room are left to decide who gets to play for the Natty. If only a Conference Champion could play for the National Championship it would eliminate all the guess work. It would piss off a lot of people but everyone is already pissed off.
I’m not pissed off. I remember when people were really pissed off when they picked two teams to play for the championship.
What the Official CFP field SHOULD be no matter what the 12 stuffed shirts say. In no particular order:
Indiana
Georgia
Texas Tech
Duke --- sorry if you don't like this one, maybe you should win your Conference Championship!!
Tulane
Ohio State
Texas A&M
Oregon
Ole Miss --- it isn't the player's fault that Lane Kiffin is douche bag.
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
Miami --- apologies to Alabama, stop losing and maybe you'll get in................NEXT SEASON!!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
What the Official CFP field SHOULD be no matter what the 12 stuffed shirts say. In no particular order:
Indiana
Georgia
Texas Tech
Duke --- sorry if you don't like this one, maybe you should win your Conference Championship!!
Tulane
Ohio State
Texas A&M
Oregon
Ole Miss --- it isn't the player's fault that Lane Kiffin is douche bag.
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
Miami --- apologies to Alabama, stop losing and maybe you'll get in................NEXT SEASON!!!
@Basebal21 said:
Well Duke wins the ACC so now we have some problems
Means the only ACC team that has a shot at the playoffs is Miami.
But thats the biggest problem. A team from the same conference that didnt even play in the conference championship makes it while the team that won the conference sits at home? Then you get into the possibility of a power 4 conference which are the best by far in football not having a team in the playoffs and two G5 teams
The tricky thing is that Miami and Duke didnt play each other. So a 2 loss Miami should get in over a team thats unranked..even if they won the conference.
But then thats just saying the ACC championship means nothing and its better to stay out of a conference championship game and that it wont help you and can only hurt you
But something is flawed here. If Miami and Duke played, who do you think would win? My money would be on Miami.
Miami would win if Beck doesnt have one of his Beck games. But conference championships were devalued. Duke also got punished for its out of conference schedule
Kicking ND out for Miami was the right move but having the ACC champ be left out and a team in the same that didnt even play the game get in is crazy.
Id be fine ranking Miami higher but Duke getting left out for JMU is my biggest grip. JMU had one of the softest schedules in the country. They got handled by Louisville and their best win by miles is Washington State. The Sun Belt was just flat out bad this year for football.
Two G5 teams in the playoffs is just crazy. JMU wouldnt win a game in the SEC. I dont get the logic that winning the trash Sun Belt this year is more important than the ACC.
ESPN commentator Greg Mcelroy, who also happens to be a former Alabama QB, said Notre Dame would've been one of the top 3 favorites to win it all if they had gotten in. ND got screwed BIG TIME!!!
ND should've gotten in over Alabama, as Alabama have not looked like a playoff team in the last several weeks. Alabama plays Oklahoma, a game that we have already seen. ND vs Oklahoma would've been a more interesting matchup.
Mcelroy also stated that the 2015 Ohio State team could've won it all too, but they also got left out of the playoffs that year, even though they were a one loss defending champion.
Was good to see the committee place Ohio State at #2, so they didnt get penalized for the close loss. With Indiana being #1 this makes three years in a row a BIG TEN team got the #1 seed in the Final CFP rankings.
Notre Dame is withdrawing its name from consideration for a bowl game and will not play again this season. The decision comes after the Fighting Irish did not make the 12-team CFP.
The SEC loser in the championship game wasnt going to be left out and ND has no argument to be in over Bama. Miami never should have been ranked below them. If ND wants to throw a tempter tantrum and hurt their players let them it only hurts themselves with the portal opening up.
Duke is the only team that got hosed. Wins the ACC has a ranked win and JMU gets in over them as does a team in their conference that didnt make the title game
@Basebal21 said:
The SEC loser in the championship game wasnt going to be left out and ND has no argument to be in over Bama. Miami never should have been ranked below them. If ND wants to throw a tempter tantrum and hurt their players let them it only hurts themselves with the portal opening up.
Duke is the only team that got hosed. Wins the ACC has a ranked win and JMU gets in over them as does a team in their conference that didnt make the title game
Fact is the committee did not get the best 12 teams in. Alabama is not one of the best 12 teams. If ND and Bama played right now, ND would be favored. Bama got trounced by a bad FSU team and has looked like garbage the last several weeks. They looked like garbage last night. They are not a legit playoff team.
ND has every right to be upset because they would probably trounce Alabama, and every one knows it.
@Basebal21 said:
The SEC loser in the championship game wasnt going to be left out and ND has no argument to be in over Bama. Miami never should have been ranked below them. If ND wants to throw a tempter tantrum and hurt their players let them it only hurts themselves with the portal opening up.
Duke is the only team that got hosed. Wins the ACC has a ranked win and JMU gets in over them as does a team in their conference that didnt make the title game
Fact is the committee did not get the best 12 teams in. Alabama is not one of the best 12 teams. If ND and Bama played right now, ND would be favored. Bama got trounced by a bad FSU team and has looked like garbage the last several weeks. They looked like garbage last night. They are not a legit playoff team.
ND has every right to be upset because they would probably trounce Alabama, and every one knows it.
Fact is Bama is one of the best 12 teams.
Yes I agree the 12 best teams are not in, JMU would not be there if that was the case.
Fact also is that the committee set ND up to be upset because they never should have been ahead of Miami and no they wouldnt trounce Bama
@Basebal21 said:
The SEC loser in the championship game wasnt going to be left out and ND has no argument to be in over Bama. Miami never should have been ranked below them. If ND wants to throw a tempter tantrum and hurt their players let them it only hurts themselves with the portal opening up.
Duke is the only team that got hosed. Wins the ACC has a ranked win and JMU gets in over them as does a team in their conference that didnt make the title game
Fact is the committee did not get the best 12 teams in. Alabama is not one of the best 12 teams. If ND and Bama played right now, ND would be favored. Bama got trounced by a bad FSU team and has looked like garbage the last several weeks. They looked like garbage last night. They are not a legit playoff team.
ND has every right to be upset because they would probably trounce Alabama, and every one knows it.
Fact is Bama is one of the best 12 teams.
Yes I agree the 12 best teams are not in, JMU would not be there if that was the case.
Fact also is that the committee set ND up to be upset because they never should have been ahead of Miami and no they wouldnt trounce Bama
Anyone outside of sec world dont think Bama is a playoff team. At least anybody who watched their games in the last month. BYU got penalized for getting trounced in their CCG, so alabama should've got penalized as well. Oklahoma is probably going to beat them again anyway.
@Basebal21 said:
The SEC loser in the championship game wasnt going to be left out and ND has no argument to be in over Bama. Miami never should have been ranked below them. If ND wants to throw a tempter tantrum and hurt their players let them it only hurts themselves with the portal opening up.
Duke is the only team that got hosed. Wins the ACC has a ranked win and JMU gets in over them as does a team in their conference that didnt make the title game
Fact is the committee did not get the best 12 teams in. Alabama is not one of the best 12 teams. If ND and Bama played right now, ND would be favored. Bama got trounced by a bad FSU team and has looked like garbage the last several weeks. They looked like garbage last night. They are not a legit playoff team.
ND has every right to be upset because they would probably trounce Alabama, and every one knows it.
Fact is Bama is one of the best 12 teams.
Yes I agree the 12 best teams are not in, JMU would not be there if that was the case.
Fact also is that the committee set ND up to be upset because they never should have been ahead of Miami and no they wouldnt trounce Bama
Anyone outside of sec world dont think Bama is a playoff team. At least anybody who watched their games in the last month. BYU got penalized for getting trounced in their CCG, so alabama should've got penalized as well. Oklahoma is probably going to beat them again anyway.
As stated BYU was never getting in unless they beat TT. They could have lost that game by 1 and wouldn't be in
Not sure how many times it needs to be typed that Miami should have been over them all year and the the SEC and B!G championship game teams were not going to get left out
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HUGE 4th down conversion!
I admit I would have kicked the FG
Thats pretty sad that someone took the time to do that. My bad there was a brain fart with another qb that doesnt change anything other than what hand he throws with but sure
Fire AJ Preller
That's why I would have kicked the FG
Basebal, just having a little fun with you. But you do have quite a reputation for not ever admitting you could be wrong. So I just saw an opportunity to rib you a little.
You’re right it can be easy to mix up QB’s, there are a lot of college teams.
I mean. I can admit that Smith is just a stud out there. Ponds is playing great and it's still pretty impossible to stop Smith anytime Sayin has time in the pocket. It's tough to see what Indiana can do against OSU's secondary with Cooper going down early. If Mendoza doesn't underthrow that it's probably a TD and Cooper isn't on the sidelines.
I would love to see Indiana get a TD this possession and put some pressure on OSU
Ryan Day is getting outcoached by Cignetti and Mendoza has outplayed Sayin.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
And a 26 yard FG is no good
Last 2 Red Zone trips and 0.points
OSU is cooked
Been one tough battle. Thought maybe OSU would have a let down after the Michigan win. But they have battled and played tough.
This is another example of Ryan Day climbing onto his shell, it seems he has to do it at least once a season. Last year he did it in the Michigan game and, surprise surprise, they lost by the same score against Michigan, 13-10.
Hard to figure. Barring a miracle the Hoosiers win. Hats off to them for a game well played.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Last year against Michigan he refused to play to their strengths and throw the ball, I didn't like him not kicking the FG when Sayin got stopped short on 4th and 1 but outside that Indiana's D is playing better than anyone expected and Ohio States Pass D is not good tonight
I don't hold Day 100% accountable
Now the question becomes where does the Committee drop Ohio State to?? That’s where the Politics of the playoff comes in as they try to get the matches they prefer.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Looks like a wrap. Just SAYIN.😀
Wow Mendoza is a bit odd 🧐
LOL OSU thats the Ryan Day special. Theyll drop to 4
If Duke holds on though theres some big problems here. Miami should be ahead of ND but they have a chance of being the first team to make the playoffs without even playing in the conference championship. Two G5 teams would be an absolute joke especially leaving out the ACC entirely to do so or removing Bama for any ACC or G5 team.
Fire AJ Preller
What a glorious performance from Indiana. Somebody in this thread asked if Indiana could win if they scored 17, topping any previous Ohio opponent. Well, they scored 13 and that was enough. Their defense played out of their minds.
Just Google Cignetti. He wins. Indiana was 3-9 two years ago.
Fielding is just an awful kicker under pressure. He cost the Buckeyes two games last year and screwed them again tonight.
Congrats to the Hoosiers. Now on to the playoffs.
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8-5 Duke ACC Champions. A night to remember in college football.
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Well Duke wins the ACC so now we have some problems
Fire AJ Preller
Means the only ACC team that has a shot at the playoffs is Miami.
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But thats the biggest problem. A team from the same conference that didnt even play in the conference championship makes it while the team that won the conference sits at home? Then you get into the possibility of a power 4 conference which are the best by far in football not having a team in the playoffs and two G5 teams
Fire AJ Preller
The tricky thing is that Miami and Duke didnt play each other. So a 2 loss Miami should get in over a team thats unranked..even if they won the conference.
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But then thats just saying the ACC championship means nothing and its better to stay out of a conference championship game and that it wont help you and can only hurt you
Fire AJ Preller
But something is flawed here. If Miami and Duke played, who do you think would win? My money would be on Miami.
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Great game last night even though I lost money on OSU
Taking my financial loss out of it it really was a great game, Indiana's D was the difference imo
OSU not being able to establish the run and Sayin getting bum rushed was brutal for OSU
On OSU late drive in the Red Zone, Bo Jackson was an inch away from breaking away but literally one hand on his thigh from a defender tripped him up for some reason, then they just couldn't punch it in, Sayins knee hit the ground before he could lunge forward on 4th and 1, I would have kicked the FG but won't crucify Day for going for it.
Missing that ridiculous 26 yard FG was inexcusable
Indiana played great got to give them credit.
I got to say if this game was played 10 times I think each team would win 5 out of 10
Phenominal match up
Things really get messy and confusing when the right teams don’t win and 12 people sitting in a room are left to decide who gets to play for the Natty. If only a Conference Champion could play for the National Championship it would eliminate all the guess work. It would piss off a lot of people but everyone is already pissed off.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I’m not pissed off. I remember when people were really pissed off when they picked two teams to play for the championship.
What the Official CFP field SHOULD be no matter what the 12 stuffed shirts say. In no particular order:
Indiana
Georgia
Texas Tech
Duke --- sorry if you don't like this one, maybe you should win your Conference Championship!!
Tulane
Ohio State
Texas A&M
Oregon
Ole Miss --- it isn't the player's fault that Lane Kiffin is douche bag.
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
Miami --- apologies to Alabama, stop losing and maybe you'll get in................NEXT SEASON!!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Darin said: I’m not pissed off. I remember when people were really pissed off when they picked two teams to play for the championship.
Nobody should be picking who plays, Champions only should play for the Natty.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
You would put Duke and Tulane ahead of OSU?
@perkdog, please note that I stated “In no particular order” before I listed teams.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The CFP needs to follow the rules and after that put the best teams in. No one needs to see Duke play again.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Miami would win if Beck doesnt have one of his Beck games. But conference championships were devalued. Duke also got punished for its out of conference schedule
Fire AJ Preller
Kicking ND out for Miami was the right move but having the ACC champ be left out and a team in the same that didnt even play the game get in is crazy.
Id be fine ranking Miami higher but Duke getting left out for JMU is my biggest grip. JMU had one of the softest schedules in the country. They got handled by Louisville and their best win by miles is Washington State. The Sun Belt was just flat out bad this year for football.
Two G5 teams in the playoffs is just crazy. JMU wouldnt win a game in the SEC. I dont get the logic that winning the trash Sun Belt this year is more important than the ACC.
Other than that rankings look good enough
Fire AJ Preller
ESPN commentator Greg Mcelroy, who also happens to be a former Alabama QB, said Notre Dame would've been one of the top 3 favorites to win it all if they had gotten in. ND got screwed BIG TIME!!!
ND should've gotten in over Alabama, as Alabama have not looked like a playoff team in the last several weeks. Alabama plays Oklahoma, a game that we have already seen. ND vs Oklahoma would've been a more interesting matchup.
Mcelroy also stated that the 2015 Ohio State team could've won it all too, but they also got left out of the playoffs that year, even though they were a one loss defending champion.
Was good to see the committee place Ohio State at #2, so they didnt get penalized for the close loss. With Indiana being #1 this makes three years in a row a BIG TEN team got the #1 seed in the Final CFP rankings.
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McElroy is also the moron who said ND shouldn’t score too quick against PSU. You in his camp? Seems about right.
Notre Dame is withdrawing its name from consideration for a bowl game and will not play again this season. The decision comes after the Fighting Irish did not make the 12-team CFP.
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ND got done dirty a bit but don’t listen to McElroy. He’s a bozo.
He's actually one of the few ESPN commentators I've always liked. He's right about ND, they are a dangerous team.
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They weren’t dangerous enough to earn a spot. Tough luck for them. Glad you’re carrying the torch.
The SEC loser in the championship game wasnt going to be left out and ND has no argument to be in over Bama. Miami never should have been ranked below them. If ND wants to throw a tempter tantrum and hurt their players let them it only hurts themselves with the portal opening up.
Duke is the only team that got hosed. Wins the ACC has a ranked win and JMU gets in over them as does a team in their conference that didnt make the title game
Fire AJ Preller
Fact is the committee did not get the best 12 teams in. Alabama is not one of the best 12 teams. If ND and Bama played right now, ND would be favored. Bama got trounced by a bad FSU team and has looked like garbage the last several weeks. They looked like garbage last night. They are not a legit playoff team.
ND has every right to be upset because they would probably trounce Alabama, and every one knows it.
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Fact is Bama is one of the best 12 teams.
Yes I agree the 12 best teams are not in, JMU would not be there if that was the case.
Fact also is that the committee set ND up to be upset because they never should have been ahead of Miami and no they wouldnt trounce Bama
Fire AJ Preller
Anyone outside of sec world dont think Bama is a playoff team. At least anybody who watched their games in the last month. BYU got penalized for getting trounced in their CCG, so alabama should've got penalized as well. Oklahoma is probably going to beat them again anyway.
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The AP poll has both Miami and ND ranked ahead of Alabama.
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As stated BYU was never getting in unless they beat TT. They could have lost that game by 1 and wouldn't be in
Both SEC and B!G teams were getting in.
The AP poll is meaningless
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5 conference champs have to get it. The conversation is should it have been Duke or JMU
Texas and Vandy are better than both those teams
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Nobody is talking about Duke or JMU.
The sports forums are talking about ND getting snubbed for a crap Alabama team.
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Youre talking about that
Not sure how many times it needs to be typed that Miami should have been over them all year and the the SEC and B!G championship game teams were not going to get left out
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