@Morgan13 said: @Aspie_Rocco so you saw it on ebay?
I think I picked it up for a good price.
I have heard that CAC does not sticker alot of trade dollars or they are tough on them to put it another way. I was told this by me LCS
Yes I was watching it and trying to decide. The dark color and chin “spike” stopped me from immediately buying it, but after it sold I was a little bummed. Patience is what I tell myself lol.
The trade and the seated dollar are some of the last I need that are within my reach for my “low budget” CAC type set.
@4Redisin
Don't take it the wrong way please.
I was asking you in a polite way.
I'm not even close to upset.
I did not know that they do downgrade coin grades. It's so much nicer in hand.
Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
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Dantheman984 Toyz4geo SurfinxHI greencopper RWW bigjpst bretsan MWallace logger7
@keoj said:
I finally got back from a vacation is just have a couple of comments:
1) TDN's Trade Dollars are always amazing!!!!!
2) I always assumed that denticles (not reeds) were the same as long they came off the master hub (from the galvano). I guess I'd be surprised if there were a lot of variation....maybe between Type I, Type IIM and IIL obverse and reverses (since all six had different master hubs).
3) Reeds (the third side of the coin) is a different animal. Collars, I'm guessing, were probably part of each mints repertoire. I did a minor study with Dan Huntsinger many years ago and this is in Chapter 2. With one exception, TDs stayed in he range of 178 to 194 reeds. They are a PITA to count and fraught with counting mistakes. Very hard to do in a slab. The outlier to this reed range was a 1876-S with a reed count 157 (in Chapter 2). Given the challenge of counting and the possibility that collars likely changed as frequently as dies changed, it was too big a challenge.
4) On TwoSides2aCoin question of mintmark sizing, great question. Someone could easily check on this. The medium S (used on just one 76-S (TDV-23)), might have been used on the Half Dollar reverse. The small S mintmark is a great question for San Francisco coinage experts. (anyone have Bill Bugert's books around?)
Today I am getting around to reading the back chapters of your book on die combo's and authentication - I skipped over the top variety section for now as it goes well past the basics. In spite of one member's post here, I can write again that what you have done for this series in this book is truly amazing, remarkable, unbelievable, extraordinary, etc. It will hold any collector's interest from expert to novice for a very long time and possibly even lead to new discoveries in spite of how through it is already.
PS I don't think you'll mind if I PM you with any typo's I come across. I'll bet you will need another press run of your book within a year as it generates increased interest in the series and IMO, the $70 price is too cheap!
Okay, for those working on counting dentils, I'll look in a couple of weeks as well. As mentioned, for the exercise, please note if the obverse and reverse is a Type I, IIM, or IIL die. I suspect that and any differences will follow these hub types. We'll see!!!!!
1885 PR
1884 PR
1883 PR
1882 PR 182
1879 PR 182
1878 PR 182
1877 PR 182
_________________________________ if this holds, it looks like a change came with the middle date hubs
1876 PR 183
1875 PR 183
1874 PR
1873 PR 183
Reverse counts will be added whenever posted.
1878 MS 183
1877 MS
1876 MS 183
1875 MS
1874 MS
1873 MS
@keoj said:
Okay, for those working on counting dentils, I'll look in a couple of weeks as well. As mentioned, for the exercise, please note if the obverse and reverse is a Type I, IIM, or IIL die. I suspect that and any differences will follow these hub types. We'll see!!!!!
I accumulated hundreds of Tibetan Tangka coins when i had a source in Bhutan. An early cataloguer suggested using the number of obverse and reverse "dentils" as a way to determine types though he never did it. I thought i would try. On the first 30 coins i handled, I couldn't find 2 coins with the same number. Lol. The dies were hands cut and the variation is immense.
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Yes I was watching it and trying to decide. The dark color and chin “spike” stopped me from immediately buying it, but after it sold I was a little bummed. Patience is what I tell myself lol.
The trade and the seated dollar are some of the last I need that are within my reach for my “low budget” CAC type set.
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
@4Redisin
Don't take it the wrong way please.
I was asking you in a polite way.
I'm not even close to upset.
I did not know that they do downgrade coin grades. It's so much nicer in hand.
Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
Successful BST transactions with: Namvet Justindan Mattniss RWW olah_in_MA
Dantheman984 Toyz4geo SurfinxHI greencopper RWW bigjpst bretsan MWallace logger7
@keoj,
Today I am getting around to reading the back chapters of your book on die combo's and authentication - I skipped over the top variety section for now as it goes well past the basics. In spite of one member's post here, I can write again that what you have done for this series in this book is truly amazing, remarkable, unbelievable, extraordinary, etc. It will hold any collector's interest from expert to novice for a very long time and possibly even lead to new discoveries in spite of how through it is already.
PS I don't think you'll mind if I PM you with any typo's I come across. I'll bet you will need another press run of your book within a year as it generates increased interest in the series and IMO, the $70 price is too cheap!
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Duplicate Thread. Sorry I broke the rules. This thread is now exclusively for dentil counts on Trade dollars.
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Okay, for those working on counting dentils, I'll look in a couple of weeks as well. As mentioned, for the exercise, please note if the obverse and reverse is a Type I, IIM, or IIL die. I suspect that and any differences will follow these hub types. We'll see!!!!!
Update for obverse dentil count:
1885 PR
1884 PR
1883 PR
1882 PR 182
1879 PR 182
1878 PR 182
1877 PR 182
_________________________________ if this holds, it looks like a change came with the middle date hubs
1876 PR 183
1875 PR 183
1874 PR
1873 PR 183
Reverse counts will be added whenever posted.
1878 MS 183
1877 MS
1876 MS 183
1875 MS
1874 MS
1873 MS
Reverse counts will be added whenever posted.
Good point. That determination is very important.
1874 PR 183 obverse denticles
184 Reverse
All other trueviews of 1874 PR seem the same count with the same/similar clump at K9:47
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
I accumulated hundreds of Tibetan Tangka coins when i had a source in Bhutan. An early cataloguer suggested using the number of obverse and reverse "dentils" as a way to determine types though he never did it. I thought i would try. On the first 30 coins i handled, I couldn't find 2 coins with the same number. Lol. The dies were hands cut and the variation is immense.