some of my 2x2 are askew - was: some of my flips have flopped
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Seems as though about 1/10 of my new cardboard flips folds a bit crookedly, so the two halves don't align properly.
When I staple, I have to live with non-square flip that doesn't fit perfectly anywhere, or warped flip because I tried to staple it back into plumb. Or I throw the heckky thing away.
Common problem? Bad batch of flips? User error?
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the cardboard 2x2s come with a weakened edge. hard for user error there. I'd blame the batch.
“some of my flips have flopped”
I can agree with that statement, but mine are all sales related!
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A very common problem and not a new one.
Is there such a thing as an error flip?
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If the misalignment isn't too bad, you can sometimes force it into place with a little pressure. Then get 1 staple in it. Once that's done, it's not difficult to get the other 3 staples in. just be careful that the coin stays aligned with the Mylar window. I had a batch of 100+ misaligned quarter sized 2x2s that I made work.
They’re trying to tell you something.
I have that happened to me before on a pack of carboard 2x2's. I'm quite OCD about it and can't stand it. I'm in need of more soon and hope I can find ones that fold nicely at the ANA.
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Square it up before you staple. It should look good.
i have a bunch that do that. i usually just slightly rub my index and thumb in a slight twisting motion to plum the flip while between those 2 fingers and then staple with right. usually goes quickly.
Try cutting the flip in half beforehand. then line it up and staple it so its square
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I don't know about error flips, but here's an error 2x2, a retained cud.....
Retained cud, or hanging chad?
I'm surprised that no one has yet pointed out to the OP that flips and 2X2 cardboard staple coin holders are two entirely different things.
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I too was expecting to see plastic flips when I opened this thread
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I can't tell you how many 1000's of cardboard 2x2's I have used. My former world coin collection of over 30,000 pieces attests to that. I kept all my inventory in 2x2's also until I started transitioning around 2005.
What I can say is the old days this was rarely a problem and the mylar was much thicker as well as the cardboard. I remember the 1st time I ordered some bulk at what was a good price....not. Of course they were made in China, which is where the demise of the 2x2 began.
If your flip has flopped, fling it.....
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I've never had an issue with plastic flips, but I used to put cents into 2x2 cardboard flips and it was something of an issue. I must have had a couple hundred in one lot that were slightly off... I had to realign them before stapling... sort of a PITA... but at least they all fit nicely into the plastic 3 ring binder sheet...
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The OP and probably everyone else has heard of cardboard 2x2s being referred to as cardboard flips... As opposed to plastic flips.
Flips is easier to type and say than 2x2. It flips right off the tongue. Flips flips flips...
Not everybody. I've only heard that on this message board. And not until recently (past couple of months, maybe).
It might be easier to type and say, but as noted by others, experienced collectors are used to flips being plastic and2x2s being cardboard. When I first saw this post, I also thought you were referring to the plastic holders, but just chalked it up to a mistake by an inexperienced collector. I figured in time you would figure it out the terminology.
Not a big issue here, but the terminology you use gives others an insight into your experience and credibility. You previously mentioned you worked in the chip industry. What would you think of an engineer or scientist that kept mixing up the words silicon and silicone?
Your response reminds me of an old joke.
A policeman sees a drunk man searching for something under a streetlight and asks what the drunk has lost. He says he lost his keys and they both look under the streetlight together. After a few minutes the policeman asks if he is sure he lost them here, and the drunk replies, no, and that he lost them in the park. The policeman asks why he is searching here, and the drunk replies, "the light is better here".
Just because it's easier for you doesn't make it right
Fair enough... Good to know that 'cardboard flips' is not a generally recognized term for the 2x2s.
To clarify further, is '2x2' sufficient to connote the carboard coin holder?
... and if the cardboard 2x2s are generally NOT referred to as flips, I should have named this topic "My 2x2 has gone askew".
If somebody says "2x2", I would understand that to mean a cardboard holder with a thin mylar window.
Thanks... As @Oldhoopster pointed out, it is good to understand the convention.
Of course, I may choose to ignore the convention for comedic purposes.,.. at the risk of sounding 'flippant'
How manufacturers describe them:
I don't like no staples near my coins. I've noticed a lot of sellers will group these 2x2s together in a small box on a shelf. When people pick up a stack and start sorting through them like a deck of cards the back side staples of one 2x2 are rubbing the front side of the next. I don't like no staples!
That's what pliers and self cinching staplers are for. Never had an issue myself.
Problem solved.
Yeah, bought a little max-10 flat clinch stapler. I worry about the stapler's durability, but I'm liking the results.
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I've been using mine for over 10 years.
Ohhhhhhh. Still makes me nervous but I suppose its okay for storing decent coins in a 3 ring binder. I keep all of my good finds in 2.5" Saflips since they're required for submission anyway. And they all go into tool boxes.
@MasonG Do you prefer the Guardhouse over Saflip? I haven't tried those yet.
The only brand of flip I know for a fact I've used (since I took them brand new out of the plastic outer bag) is Saflip. Guardhouse? I can't tell you anything definite about them- sorry.
Cool. I've been fine with Saflip no reason to change.
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Besides allowing writing on the 2x2s, doesn't the 2x2 make the coin more secure than plastic flip? Don't plastic flips allow coins to slide around a bit?
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There are pros and cons to both. It's easier to write on 2x2s and if sized to the coin, the coin won't move around but the plastic window is fairly thin and doesn't provide much protection against contact with a sharp object. Flips are thicker but smaller coins can move around some which could be an issue if something was on the coin when it was inserted. Staples can be a problem with 2x2s, not so much with flips.
I'm sure there are other concerns.
what do y'all think about encap holders?
New member here. On this subject, I use 2x2 cardboard/Mylar holders for my Morgan collection; yes, I’m careful about staples having learnt the hard way. I’m forever vexed by the low quality stuff out there. A few years ago, I ordered some BCW 2x2s that turned out to be the best I’d ever seen. They were white on both sides (not white on the outside, natural kraft on the inside).
I have not been able to get them since. Ever since, BCW are junk like the rest. I’ve contacted them and they couldn’t help. Does anyone know of a good brand or supplier of these?
The major problem with cardboard "flips" is staples.
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What he said. In the good old days this was never a problem. Now that these are made cheaply, this problem occurs.
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as the OP for this thread, I will give a data point:
These were relatively crummy, with many 'askew', and the cardboard so thin that they would fold where they should not :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07G5F9C2Q/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
These were much better:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0088YVI5G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
So maybe sticking with BCW is a step in the right direction...
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Never heard this term used for 2X2's in 55 years of collecting until now.
Yes, as said the man who foreswore orthopedic shoes until he experienced their comfort, "I stand corrected".
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I have inserted a 2X2 with a coin inside into a flip. Works even better with a 2 1/2 X 2 1/2 into a 2 1/2" flip. That will stabilize the coin.