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jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
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But it came with this really nice St Gaudens! I have not seen any others in this holder. Does anyone have any info on it? One person said he thought Gerald Bauman graded any Unc coin MS60. What are your thoughts on it's grade today? I have a few PCGS MS63 and I think this looks nicer, but I am not good at grading these.







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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's got some coolness factor going for it.
    I wouldn't pay much premium for it, but perhaps 'the market' would.
    I wonder if they imported a bunch of them, and then marketed them this way?

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That would have been around 1984, 1985, I believe

    Jerry Bauman of MTB is missed!

    What a pisser he was ! (meaning he had a warped sense of humor!)

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  • CoinCrazyPACoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭

    I like old holders like this. Great pickup

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS65

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The holders are uncommon, but occasionally pop up. I have seen less than a dozen. The holders come with either a white or blue insert. All the gold coins (maybe 4) have been in the blue holders with the fancy titles on the front of the holder. Although I can't be positive, I think all the gold was graded MS-60.

    The 'Ike box' was not originally included with the coins. They were sold in a plastic 'wallet' style holder with the holder slipped into a sleeve.

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    That would have been around 1984, 1985, I believe

    Jerry Bauman of MTB is missed!

    What a pisser he was ! (meaning he had a warped sense of humor!)

    Very cool, same age as me!

    @astrorat said:
    The holders are uncommon, but occasionally pop up. I have seen less than a dozen. The holders come with either a white or blue insert. All the gold coins (maybe 4) have been in the blue holders with the fancy titles on the front of the holder. Although I can't be positive, I think all the gold was graded MS-60.

    The 'Ike box' was not originally included with the coins. They were sold in a plastic 'wallet' style holder with the holder slipped into a sleeve.

    Thanks for the info!

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it a lot.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,074 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin and the holder I would definitely add to my collection without even thinking about it. Such a beauty too.
    Congratulations on such a great score.

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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,783 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018 1:44PM

    I wonder if NGC would grade that coin in the holder and wrap their grade band aroung it and it could still be kept in that original box? it might cover up some of the writing though :(

    Edited to add: That is a very nice coin and should grade 3 or 4 points higher unless there is some rub.

    GrandAm :)
  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM said:
    I wonder if NGC would grade that coin in the holder and wrap their grade band aroung it and it could still be kept in that original box? it might cover up some of the writing though :(

    Hmm. That's a really good question. I would be very tempted to see if they would.

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,783 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018 1:37PM

    I would have them wrap the top and cover United States Double Eagle and leave all the MTB writing visible.

    The 1st gold coin I ever bought came from MTB,,,,,, a 1984 $10 Gold Olympic Coin. I believe this was the 1st gold coin the Mint issued after it was legal to own them again wasn't it?

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, the 1984 $10 Olympic Gold coins
    were the first US gold COINS struck
    since 1933.

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  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful St Gaudens, and interesting presentation. Neat purchase!

  • batumibatumi Posts: 884 ✭✭✭✭

    MS 62. Too many abrasions to grade higher imo.

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @batumi said:
    MS 62. Too many abrasions to grade higher imo.

    I have seen MS64's that look alot worse.

    GrandAm :)
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even 62 is probably too high. I think the MS60 grade is correct given the large number of small marks on both obverse and reverse. Some rub on the high points is possible as well. It would have to be viewed in-hand to be certain.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,522 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Yes, the 1984 $10 Olympic Gold coins
    were the first US gold COINS struck
    since 1933.

    Is that a technicality I see? Were they pre-dated by the gold medals (Marion Ross, etc.)?

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Yes, the 1984 $10 Olympic Gold coins
    were the first US gold COINS struck
    since 1933.

    Is that a technicality I see? Were they pre-dated by the gold medals (Marion Ross, etc.)?

    The American Arts series weren't coins. They were medallions. Marian Ross is an actress best known as the mother on "Happy Days" TV show. You were probably thinking of Marion Anderson.

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NGC said they could not grade it in the holder. Dang. I'm not seeing the MS62 or less. Here is a pcgs MS62:

    Here is a 64:

  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Neat pickup. I like it a lot as it reminds me of the first $20 gold piece (1908 Saint NM, just like yours) that I bought in a Capital holder over 30 years ago.

    Thanks for sharing it.

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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are some less than great, poorly lit, quick iPhone images of one of the white insert holders in the plastic 'wallet' from MTB.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,522 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018 4:12PM

    @PerryHall said:

    @JBK said:

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Yes, the 1984 $10 Olympic Gold coins
    were the first US gold COINS struck
    since 1933.

    Is that a technicality I see? Were they pre-dated by the gold medals (Marion Ross, etc.)?

    The American Arts series weren't coins. They were medallions. Marian Ross is an actress best known as the mother on "Happy Days" TV show. You were probably thinking of Marion Anderson.

    Yes, that is the distinction I sensed that FW was alluding to. The American Arts medallions, as I recall, were the Mint's answer to people clamoring for a gold bullion coin. They figured people would treat them as bullion issues but collectors and investors really wanted a legal tender denomination (an actual coin). I guess the Olympic commem broke the ice on gold coins, then soon came the SEs and GEs.

    Yes - Marion Anderson. :D I could picture her portrait on the medallion, but not her name apparently.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unique in a very nice; well made holder...I would keep it as is :)

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool!

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice, I have owned a few Saints in the Manfra, Tordella & Brookes holders before. They were certainly much stricter in their grades when compared to todays standards. Ended selling them off and converting to boring modern bullion. Big ole bulky holders but very cool.

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  • SeatedTonersSeatedToners Posts: 392 ✭✭✭✭

    That’s pretty cool!

  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2018 7:56PM

    MTB - somewhere between ACG and SEGS

    not that there’s anything wrong with that

    I admire all that gave it a shot!

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SeattleSlammer said:
    MTB - somewhere between ACG and SEGS

    not that there’s anything wrong with that

    I admire all that gave it a shot!

    I don't think MTB was the same type of 'company.' I don't think one could submit coin to MTB (like they could with ACG and SEGS), but MTB was rather a 'grading company' for providing graded/slabbed coins for their own clients. I could be wrong, but that's my impression. Any seasoned dealers or collectors know if coins could be submitted to MTB?

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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a recent purchase. This one is also graded 'MS-60' by MTB.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin/holder.... That is one I have not run across....The only special 'holders' I keep are the GSA CC Morgans....Cheers, RickO

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,866 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's awesome! I love the color (actually both the $5 and Saint)

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,426 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice coin, i like :)

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