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NEWP - Let's play GTG while I wait for it to be shipped, (1917 WLH) (Grade added)

TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 25, 2018 9:05AM in U.S. Coin Forum

My big plans for the GC auctions tonight fell apart. (Basically, I took a long nap. :) )

So I went with one of my "long time watch items" with an online dealer:

1917 WLH, PCGS certified, Current holder being issued, (Dealer's Pictures):


Don't know if I agree with the grade yet....but there is at least one attribute, (maybe two), that caught my eye. See if anyone else likes it/them as well.....

Added: Graded photos added below..

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2018 7:32PM

    I'll say 65+ and if the luster is all there 66+

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,284 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @crazyhounddog said:
    I'll say 65+ and if the luster is all there 66+

    Damn - I’m like 10 points lower

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  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭✭

    64

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  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Finally a walker thread.

    Nice 64 to me.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58

  • rln_14rln_14 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭

    58 as well

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64 if luster is better in hand.
    If not, 62/3

  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say AU-58

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm having trouble seeing what's going on (or not going on) in the right obverse field on this one.
    I'll err conservatively and guess 63.
    Love the head and hand detail, and what looks to be a little color.

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  • AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2018 4:24AM

    I'm in the 53/58 camp.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice left hand detail... chatter on the leg.... seems not to have luster...Either AU or low MS.... Cheers, RickO

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62



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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58

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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2018 6:29AM

    Well I guessed 58 on the last GTG with a Walker and it turns out it was a 65, but I'm going with 58 again on this one, final answer. Edited to mention: I see a thumb, isn't that sort if thing elusive on these?

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Edited to mention: I see a thumb, isn't that sort if thing elusive on these?
    That varies by date and mint....many of these early ones were very well struck, especially in the hand area. Same for other years, like 34S, 36P, etc.
    Now find a 35D, S, or 40S even close to full hand, and you have a rarity.

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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55 is my guess. I love the detail on the hand.

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  • goldengolden Posts: 10,154 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58.

  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes! Someone finally mentioned the HAND! ;)

    Yeah, that's the attribute that caught my attention. I know that 1917 is generally pretty good, particularly by the standards of some of the later years, and branch mints....but I thought the hand looks exceptional even for the date. (Might be influenced by lighting, too, so I'm not assuming anything YET!)

    Also like the potential for a nice dusty toning....

    I'll post the "PCGS Final Answer" in a few hours.....and maybe my own pics in a week or so....

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2018 7:42AM

    Sorry, don't know how to post gif's here....

    https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OGC.65fea87c65c01d3c67654401b91e6c8f&pid=1.7&rurl=https://media.giphy.com/media/3osxYACfOYULLSpNjG/giphy.gif&ehk=uKKGcg98jO14I+lpExX43w

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  • MattTheRileyMattTheRiley Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭

    63

  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here’s the full slab picture, (with grade):

    I kind of Agree with the sentiment that it may be a 58 masquerading as a 63, (which isn’t all that rare), and that may be why I have been eyeing it for longer than usual. (Most of my best purchases are instantaneous “YES!” buys.) But I think the “full slab” view seems to indicate the luster is there, and they add a bit of “realism” that is sometimes missing from “stand alone close-up” pictures. I find the dusty toning rather appealing.

    I have a feeling I’m going to like it....

    It’s upgrading a rather mundane, a little too white, AU-58. If nothing else, it will add a little variety to my set! The spice of life.....

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2018 9:55AM

    :)

    Actually looks pretty similar to my 63.
    Many years ago at a small show I purchased a rather nice original looking slider/shot low MS 17P for around $40 to put in my 7070....but when I sent it to NGC, they put it in a 63 holder - so it wound up in my walker set!

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 24,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mt guess was 62. Cool coin.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin, my first impression was a little higher....

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