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Heritage is offering the 1st 1915 PCGS AU58 Barber Half to be offered at Auction.

amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

Other than the 92-O micro O with a POP of 1(if it exists just like the only 01-S quarter). The 1915 Barber half is the only date or MM in the entire series that has not been offered in PCGS 58 at auction before. With a POP of 16 in 58 and 2 in 58+ this lends me to believe the POP is seriously inflated. This is a better date so it would seem to me others would have made an appearance before.

What say you?

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  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Damn....if it wasn't for the tax bill, I would be bidding!

    ;)

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2017 9:34AM



    B)

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It will be interesting to see what it sells for.

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Jeff
    My guess would be under 2K before the juice. Nice coin, but not a show stopper. Darrell, I have seen several over the years, but not in auction of course.
    Merry Christmas to everyone. Hope you find a nice Barber in your stocking.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have too! I have 3! :#

    @No Headlights said:
    Jeff
    My guess would be under 2K before the juice. Nice coin, but not a show stopper. Darrell, I have seen several over the years, but not in auction of course.
    Merry Christmas to everyone. Hope you find a nice Barber in your stocking.

  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Between us that’s six including your competition from NE. Have a good Christmas Darrell
    Jim

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How many 1945 Lincoln cents in AU have been offered at Auction ? Must be a real rare coin.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a snarky comment! So you imply an AU58 1915 Barber half is a common coin? How many can you come up with? I've seen or been offered 3 in the past 5 years...I have 2 of the 3...didn't like the other one! The other was in a 55 holder when I bought it and I paid more than No Headlights estimate!

    @RogerB said:
    How many 1945 Lincoln cents in AU have been offered at Auction ? Must be a real rare coin.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2017 7:26PM

    Now we are up to 7 unless the 3 you have seen overlap the 4 I have! You have a Great Christmas also Jim!

    @No Headlights said:
    Between us that’s six including your competition from NE. Have a good Christmas Darrell
    Jim

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep... I am looking for a $50 Gold PanPac while metal detecting.... no luck so far :D:D;) But I keep looking.... It helps to keep me young and vibrant...Sorry, just got caught up in excitement here... ;) Cheers, RickO

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jughead1893 said:

    @RogerB said:
    How many 1945 Lincoln cents in AU have been offered at Auction ? Must be a real rare coin.

    comments like this cost you book sales.I guarantee it

    Don’t be silly

  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    So to answer the question that the OP asked:

    If 7 of a reported population of 18 (includes 58+) can be accounted for by just three owners in this short and very focused series of posts, than the population is not seriously inflated.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2017 10:18AM

    That's not the point! The point is why hasn't one ever been auctioned before? Seems if there are 18 surely 1 would have been auctioned in the past decade! Almost every other date in the series has appeared multiple times. Even the 96-O with a pop of 4 has been auctioned twice. Don't say because it is rare otherwise that would not explain why so many of the common dates have been auctioned numerous times!

    There is also 1 or 2 more not mentioned in registry sets but I would wager there is some overlap.

    @au58 said:
    So to answer the question that the OP asked:

    If 7 of a reported population of 18 (includes 58+) can be accounted for by just three owners in this short and very focused series of posts, than the population is not seriously inflated.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps any true AU-58 keeps getting re-submitted until it gets into an MS-61 holder, and THEN it appears in an auction!

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," due out late 2025.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,738 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2017 12:31PM

    @amwldcoin said:
    That's not the point! The point is why hasn't one ever been auctioned before? Seems if there are 18 surely 1 would have been auctioned in the past decade! Almost every other date in the series has appeared multiple times. Even the 96-O with a pop of 4 has been auctioned twice. Don't say because it is rare otherwise that would not explain why so many of the common dates have been auctioned numerous times!

    There is also 1 or 2 more not mentioned in registry sets but I would wager there is some overlap.

    @au58 said:
    So to answer the question that the OP asked:

    If 7 of a reported population of 18 (includes 58+) can be accounted for by just three owners in this short and very focused series of posts, than the population is not seriously inflated.

    It's quite possible that 15 of the 18 were slabbed in the last several years. You know, grade inflation and all.

    It's possible it's just a statistical anomaly.

    It doesn't have to mean anything.

    Explain to me why the population shows FIVE 1913-S in AU50 and FIVE in AU53 and EIGHT in AU58. Yet there are ZERO auction results for AU50 and AU58 but 3 for AU53?

    Statistics only applies to samples of hundreds or thousands not ten.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It will be funny if it goes for moon money then there's a sudden disappearance of MS60-63 examples, as they get cracked for downgrades.

    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    That's not the point! The point is why hasn't one ever been auctioned before? Seems if there are 18 surely 1 would have been auctioned in the past decade! Almost every other date in the series has appeared multiple times. Even the 96-O with a pop of 4 has been auctioned twice. Don't say because it is rare otherwise that would not explain why so many of the common dates have been auctioned numerous times!

    There is also 1 or 2 more not mentioned in registry sets but I would wager there is some overlap.

    @au58 said:
    So to answer the question that the OP asked:

    If 7 of a reported population of 18 (includes 58+) can be accounted for by just three owners in this short and very focused series of posts, than the population is not seriously inflated.

    But it's precisely the point.
    As you told us in your original post, you have been lead to believe that, since no coins have appeared at auction, the population of 18, ipso facto, is seriously inflated.
    But 7 of the 18 were accounted for right here in less than 12 hours.
    That's better evidence that the population is probably in the ballpark rather than the population is seriously inflated simply because none have ever appeared at auction.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 26, 2017 2:13PM

    Obviously you are not as immersed into Barber half's like I am. I would wager I have seen in hand well over 50% of the PCGS 58 Population and more than 75% of all via auction views.

    @au58 said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    That's not the point! The point is why hasn't one ever been auctioned before? Seems if there are 18 surely 1 would have been auctioned in the past decade! Almost every other date in the series has appeared multiple times. Even the 96-O with a pop of 4 has been auctioned twice. Don't say because it is rare otherwise that would not explain why so many of the common dates have been auctioned numerous times!

    There is also 1 or 2 more not mentioned in registry sets but I would wager there is some overlap.

    @au58 said:
    So to answer the question that the OP asked:

    If 7 of a reported population of 18 (includes 58+) can be accounted for by just three owners in this short and very focused series of posts, than the population is not seriously inflated.

    But it's precisely the point.
    As you told us in your original post, you have been lead to believe that, since no coins have appeared at auction, the population of 18, ipso facto, is seriously inflated.
    But 7 of the 18 were accounted for right here in less than 12 hours.
    That's better evidence that the population is probably in the ballpark rather than the population is seriously inflated simply because none have ever appeared at auction.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The POP in 58 is 14 and I'm seeing 4 auction results! BTW the 13-S in XF-AU is probably close to one of the most underrated Barber Half's at the moment! I also believe the 58 POP on this date is inflated. I have one and have sold 1.

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    That's not the point! The point is why hasn't one ever been auctioned before? Seems if there are 18 surely 1 would have been auctioned in the past decade! Almost every other date in the series has appeared multiple times. Even the 96-O with a pop of 4 has been auctioned twice. Don't say because it is rare otherwise that would not explain why so many of the common dates have been auctioned numerous times!

    There is also 1 or 2 more not mentioned in registry sets but I would wager there is some overlap.

    @au58 said:
    So to answer the question that the OP asked:

    If 7 of a reported population of 18 (includes 58+) can be accounted for by just three owners in this short and very focused series of posts, than the population is not seriously inflated.

    It's quite possible that 15 of the 18 were slabbed in the last several years. You know, grade inflation and all.

    It's possible it's just a statistical anomaly.

    It doesn't have to mean anything.

    Explain to me why the population shows FIVE 1913-S in AU50 and FIVE in AU53 and EIGHT in AU58. Yet there are ZERO auction results for AU50 and AU58 but 3 for AU53?

    Statistics only applies to samples of hundreds or thousands not ten.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suspect it will go for moon money compared to what many here think it's worth! B)

    @shorecoll said:
    It will be funny if it goes for moon money then there's a sudden disappearance of MS60-63 examples, as they get cracked for downgrades.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did save my 97-S in 58 from the crack hammer! A dealer I know told me through the grapevine someone he knew had just got it back in 58 and was going to try it again. I told him I will pay more than it would bring if he got it in an MS holder and the deal was done!!!!

    @CaptHenway said:
    Perhaps any true AU-58 keeps getting re-submitted until it gets into an MS-61 holder, and THEN it appears in an auction!

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,957 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Am I correct in my understanding that people are really all hot and excited over the grading opinion of the coin and not the coin itself?

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Personally from the pictures presented I would not be a player on that coin.....BUT! That coin could go either way on the eye appeal scale from my experience with Hertiage or Stacks for that matter pictures. I suspect in hand that is probably a nicely toned coin with good luster and eye appeal. The only way to know is to see it in hand!

    @ms70 said:
    Am I correct in my understanding that people are really all hot and excited over the grading opinion of the coin and not the coin itself?

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How did this con do relative to expectations?

  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $1320 with the juice. I would wager the seller was disappointed

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