Cool late die state on the reverse of a 1852 $20 PCGS AU-58

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• CaptHenway Posts: 33,099 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 22, 2016 2:17AM

  Peripheral die cracks are fairly common on larger coins. As you can see from the denticles under the W, this one has started to move outwards and become a retained cud die break. Nice, but there are not many collectors for minor errors on expensive gold coins.

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 22, 2016 2:22AM

  Originally posted by: CaptHenway
  
  Peripheral die cracks are fairly common on larger coins. As you can see from the denticles under the W, this one has started to move outwards and become a retained cud die break. Nice, but there are not many collectors for minor errors on expensive gold coins.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  man. at that time if it went full cud, that would be a costly break!
  
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• savoyspecial Posts: 7,325 ✭✭✭✭

  January 22, 2016 2:27AM

  LanceNewman, presumably you are saying that because you are of the thought that extra metal (gold, in this case) would fill the void but the planchet is of a predetermined weight at this point in the minting process
  
  

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• FredWeinberg Posts: 5,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 22, 2016 2:52AM

  I've seen that reverse before - yes, it's scarce, but unless
  
  you can find a $20 gold collector who collects by die-breaks
  
  or die cracks, I don't believe it will bring much, if any, premium,
  
  due to it's host value as a high-grade Type 1 $20 Liberty.
  
  
  
  As the Capt. says, it's approaching 'retained cud' status, but
  
  I don't think it's fully there yet.

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 22, 2016 3:25AM

  Originally posted by: savoyspecial
  
  LanceNewman, presumably you are saying that because you are of the thought that extra metal (gold, in this case) would fill the void but the planchet is of a predetermined weight at this point in the minting process
  
  

  
  
  
  
  ah, ic. i was doing too much and had it backwards. a cud doesn't affect the weight. doh
  
  
  
  the die ends up weighing less, not the coin.
  
  
  
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  it is pretty neat. these pre-retained cuds usually have shifting and you can see the dentils right near the rim breaks noticeably offset since that part of the die is breaking loose under the immense pressure.
  
  
  
  had a 3cn show this in a strong manner.
  
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• johnny9434 Posts: 29,916 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 22, 2016 4:12AM

  nice find.

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• oih82w8 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 22, 2016 4:52AM

  Die cracks are !

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• TopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭

  January 22, 2016 5:18AM

  I think it's neat, like the TWENTY is underlined.

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• golden Posts: 10,163 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 22, 2016 7:16AM

  

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• kaz Posts: 9,311 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 22, 2016 9:35AM

  Cool piece, I love those random things that happened in old coin manufacturing.

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