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Planchet flaw versus struck through. Distinction with a difference?
jdillane
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I have a bust dollar graded:
PCGS Genuine
Planchet Flaw VF Details.
She has nice unmolested surfaces. Probably a 30.
I unfortunately am not certain how to post an image from my phone. The issue with the coin is she was struck through an object at the eagle's beak, perhaps a 1/16" wide by 3/16" long.
Accordingly would anyone here consider this to be a planchet flaw?
It seems to me a planchet flaw would exist prior to striking such as a clip or split. Is this a distinction with a difference?
I've seen plenty of struck through coins and yet do not recall any not receiving a grade. Yet I don't recall seeing any bust dollars receiving a grade and mint error designation for a struck thru error.
If I can figure out how to post an image I gladly will. But in the meanwhile do any readers know if bust dollars are accorded different treatment regarding such errors or is there some other "flaw" in my assessment?
PCGS Genuine
Planchet Flaw VF Details.
She has nice unmolested surfaces. Probably a 30.
I unfortunately am not certain how to post an image from my phone. The issue with the coin is she was struck through an object at the eagle's beak, perhaps a 1/16" wide by 3/16" long.
Accordingly would anyone here consider this to be a planchet flaw?
It seems to me a planchet flaw would exist prior to striking such as a clip or split. Is this a distinction with a difference?
I've seen plenty of struck through coins and yet do not recall any not receiving a grade. Yet I don't recall seeing any bust dollars receiving a grade and mint error designation for a struck thru error.
If I can figure out how to post an image I gladly will. But in the meanwhile do any readers know if bust dollars are accorded different treatment regarding such errors or is there some other "flaw" in my assessment?
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<< <i>Two very different things. Planchet flaw is a problem with the planchet and is there before a coin is struck (although it may not visible), a strike through is something that happens at the time the coin is minted. >>
Correct!
-Paul
You can get a real grade if you submit it as an error, FWIW.
Lance.
I did not submit her to PCGS. Won her at auction. Thanks for the tip. I am admittedly ignorant on submission protocol. I will try submitting her as an error and see what our hosts think.
<< <i>You can get a real grade if you submit it as an error, FWIW.
Lance. >>
Not necessarily. If the planchet flaw is unstable, for example a peeling lamination, they will still bag it.
-Paul
If the flaw is a major one which has a strong impact on the eye appeal of the coin, I can see where PCGS would not grade. The reason is such problems do effect the collector value of the piece. This is especially true for early U.S. coins. For those pieces a mint error like planchet fissure or planchet clip will lower the value. A VF-30 on a perfect planchet is worth more than VF-30 on a problem planchet. Since one of purposes of grading is provide uniformity in pricing, this is why a major defect results in a no grade.
Here are a couple of examples. This 1852-C gold dollar as a struck through on the reverse in the area of the word "DOLLAR." About half of the known examples of this coin have this defect. Both grading services routinely grade such coins.
This 1795 half cent has a very small planchet clip at 10 o'clock on the obverse. I located this piece when it was raw. When I bought it from the dealer, the deal was it had to come back as a "normal" coin and not a piece that had a notation on the slab for the clip. If the clip was mentioned on the slab, that would have lowered the value of the piece. It came back "normal" so I own it.
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<< <i>You can get a real grade if you submit it as an error, FWIW.
Lance. >>
Not necessarily. If the planchet flaw is unstable, for example a peeling lamination, they will still bag it.
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The below Lincoln was graded 66BN (which I think it a little generous).
Lance.
$5 1808/7 Breen-6455, B-2A. Rarity-5 Obverse Struck Thru Mint Error ex Harry W. Bass Jr. collection, formally Quality Sales Corporation’s auction of the estate of John A. Beck, Part I, January 1975, Beck began collecting in the late 1860's. It's the only John Reich error known for this series, as it has a large planchet strike through imperfection which covers star 4 on the obverse. The obverse also has a diagonal bisecting die crack from the border at 1:00 through the cap and head of Miss Liberty to star 2. Another die crack from the border through star 11 almost reaches the hair.
<< <i>Strike Through:
$5 1808/7 Breen-6455, B-2A. Rarity-5 Obverse Struck Thru Mint Error ex Harry W. Bass Jr. collection, formally Quality Sales Corporation’s auction of the estate of John A. Beck, Part I, January 1975, Beck began collecting in the late 1860's. It's the only John Reich error known for this series, as it has a large planchet strike through imperfection which covers star 4 on the obverse. The obverse also has a diagonal bisecting die crack from the border at 1:00 through the cap and head of Miss Liberty to star 2. Another die crack from the border through star 11 almost reaches the hair.
Sorry, but if I was in the market for a type coin, and could afford no other pieces, I would never buy that coin.
<< <i>Sorry, but if I was in the market for a type coin, and could afford no other pieces, I would never buy that coin. >>
Well that's why Baskin Robbins offers 31 different flavors
The error appealed to me as without for type it wouldn't have fit into my mint error collection.
I normally don't feel old, or my age,
but I have to tell you that I was in
attendance at that Beck Sale !!!!
<< <i>Strike Through:
$5 1808/7 Breen-6455, B-2A. Rarity-5 Obverse Struck Thru Mint Error ex Harry W. Bass Jr. collection, formally Quality Sales Corporation’s auction of the estate of John A. Beck, Part I, January 1975, Beck began collecting in the late 1860's. It's the only John Reich error known for this series, as it has a large planchet strike through imperfection which covers star 4 on the obverse. The obverse also has a diagonal bisecting die crack from the border at 1:00 through the cap and head of Miss Liberty to star 2. Another die crack from the border through star 11 almost reaches the hair.
Nice piece, scarce piece... but am I the only person unconvinced that this is a strikethrough error? Sorry, but that looks like a gouge.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
But I've seen many Bust halves with very apparent drift marks in PCGS holders with grades and no error designation.
But this is a gray area. Anything too severe might be BB'd. And severity is hard to define. Too deep, too long, too blunt, an unfortunate location. Whether it goes one way or the other could be a whim.
And then there are the passes that early coins, rarities, and old copper often get. From rusted dies to poor quality planchets. Even PMD can be excused.
I'd like to see OP's coin. It might be worth regrading.
Lance.