Canadian grading opinions sought - Victoria fifty cents

Is there enough detail on this coin to warrant a grade of VF? All opinions welcome. Thanks!

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭

    Close call and my VF20-25 opinion would be predicated on a review of the surfaces/fields. If it looks in hand as it does in the image, VF20 is reasonable. My biggest concern is the overall flat look to Victoria's cheek which may swing the tide the other way.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭

    In taking a second look at the enlarged images of both the obverse and reverse, I think a grade in the 20-25 range is appropriate.

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  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭

    The cheek is definitely flat, but not unreasonably so.

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 15,132 ✭✭✭✭

    I believe a US TPG would VF this coin. What is the black stuff on the reverse?


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  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭

    @ajaan said:
    I believe a US TPG would VF this coin. What is the black stuff on the reverse?

    The black stuff appears to be carbon accumulation. The coin is in the bank and I haven't looked at it in person for some time but I'll look at it sometime soon. I remember when I bought this piece that it did not put me off at all, as I like original coins like this one.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017 8:27AM

    Looks like a perfect textbook VF to me! Nice coin!

    Edit to add..as nice and original as it is I think it would grade 25-30.

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017 4:48PM

    @amwldcoin said:
    Looks like a perfect textbook VF to me! Nice coin!

    Edit to add..as nice and original as it is I think it would grade 25-30.

    Thanks! I traded a pile, and I mean a pile of common stuff for this piece several years ago. The dealer was very happy but I didn't want to let this one slip through my hands and I was very cash-poor at the time. I actually like this coin better than my certified coin, but I will be buried in it for all eternity. However, Victorian fifty centers without problems are not easy to come by and I think that they are very underrated by most collectors.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 16,301 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF.

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  • ElmhurstElmhurst Posts: 405 ✭✭✭

    Very nice....VF 20 if using NGC or PCGS, as the hair has worn into the cheekbone. ICCS might say F 15. But the most important thing is that it's original. You might want to use a coin care product to clean off surface dirt before submitting.

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭

    @Elmhurst said:
    Very nice....VF 20 if using NGC or PCGS, as the hair has worn into the cheekbone. ICCS might say F 15. But the most important thing is that it's original. You might want to use a coin care product to clean off surface dirt before submitting.

    Actually I like the dirt - it lets me know that the coin hasn't been messed with. The only thing I'll try to remove on a coin is PVC.

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  • 1960NYGiants1960NYGiants Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭

    It looks to me that there is enough detail on that piece to make an EF40. It is deserving of an acetone soak to remove the the soil.

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  • sylsyl Posts: 453 ✭✭✭

    I think that it's VF-30+. Even ICCS would grade it more than a 20.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 15,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like a nice coin, but I am always struck by how many folks (both collectors and dealers) suggest to soak or otherwise remove dirt, grime or debris from coins prior to certification.

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  • ElmhurstElmhurst Posts: 405 ✭✭✭

    @syl said:
    I think that it's VF-30+. Even ICCS would grade it more than a 20.

    Guess I need to review Charlton again and get up to date on Canadian grading.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yup!

    Looks like a perfect textbook VF to me! Nice coin!> @Elmhurst said:

    @syl said:
    I think that it's VF-30+. Even ICCS would grade it more than a 20.

    Guess I need to review Charlton again and get up to date on Canadian grading.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 10,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks VF 20 to 25 range to me.

  • YQQYQQ Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭

    VF30 max with ICCS. Hope you get a 40 but unlikely.

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  • Looks okay to me considering the marks and flat cheeks. The surfaces have also lost its sheen. Might have a grade of somewhere between 20 and 25.

  • RMWRMW Posts: 219 ✭✭✭

    VF or near so, but the carbon deposit on the reverse is worrying, as it might be eating into the metal.

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2018 4:28PM

    Thanks everyone for your input so far. I didn't really have any plans to send it for certification - I was more interested in grading opinions because I was leaning toward this coin only being a Fine, as illustrated by Charlton's official grading guide, which uses hand-drawn images for the different grades.

    Amwldcoin and I had a discussion about this topic this very morning at the FUN show. Maybe someday PCGS or someone in Canada will develop a photo grading guide similar to the one provided by PCGS. In the meantime I am happy to know that I have a VF coin, thanks to the general consensus of all of you who kindly took the time to weigh in on this piece.

    As far as the gunk in the various crevices, I am in the Tom Bush camp when it comes to original coins, especially nowadays, when so many coins have been ruined by attempts to make various improvements. A little dirt'll do ya!

    "Be still Taggart, be still. My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought, careening through a cosmic vapor of invention!" Hedley Lamarr
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