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LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 21, 2019 4:09PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I really am thinking my grading skills are not what they used to be.
(Even though I know they have only gotten better over time)
Something is just not right at the grading room IMHO. Is it because of the move in location? Something else?
I want to hear as many responses as possible before I post the grade on this one.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2017 12:46PM

    I think most will say MS-67. I don't recall ever grading a Morgan that high; yet this looks it. :( You may think it is a '68. If it is in a 66 or 65 slab, there is a problem not shown in the image HLNS?

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66+

    Frank

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd say 67 except for a bit of rim stuff. Therefore 66+.

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66?

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    ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66+

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    themasterthemaster Posts: 676 ✭✭✭

    67 Beautiful coin.

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67.

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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the pics, I could see MS67. I could also see where they may hit it on an off day and say MS66+, depending on how much that area in the field, in front of the "E", front of her face, sticks out when they look at it....maybe even a bit lower if it is bad and we just don't see it in the mirror.

    The "S" mints of that time put out some really nice morgans.

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2017 1:53PM

    Sure is nice... 66+

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll go 67

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    david3142david3142 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m in the 66+ camp. Nice coin!

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    KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I count 4 marks so will say 66

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2017 2:10PM

    65+++ for the date & mm.

    see these for comparison:

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dollars/1879-s-1-ms65-pcgs-pcgs-population-25504-9323-ngc-census-23164-9444-cdn-120-whsle-bid-for-problem-free-ngc-pcg/a/131743-27148.s?hdnJumpToLot=1x=0&y=0

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dollars/1879-s-1-ms65-pcgs-pcgs-population-25499-9319-ngc-census-23157-9445-cdn-120-whsle-bid-for-problem-free-ngc-pcg/a/131742-25204.s?hdnJumpToLot=1x=0&y=0

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    3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ...it's been brutal lately...I stopped sending coins in for a bit...summer was the sweet spot but that's over like baseball I guess ;)

    Clean Morgan I will say they robbed you at ms65+ but that's a 66+ at least to me ;)

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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,422 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2017 2:32PM

    You have a bit of chatter on the neck, cheek and to the left of Miss Liberty's face. I can't tell how severe this is based on the lighting and exposure of the image. I have an 84 CC cleaner than this and it's in a 6 holder, so I think your coin will go no higher than MS 65 at best. Sorry.

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    PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm at 67 as well, 66+ if obverse left field is hiding some stuff under the luster in the image

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first thought is 66+ :smile:

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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FWIW I want to remind everyone that this is PCGS's Image, therefore I am not hiding anything.

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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66- just a guess from a photo guessing it has nice luster

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    MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2017 2:47PM
    1. Your comments make me think it will be lower. Hardly a mark on her other than the rim over STATES.
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    StoogeStooge Posts: 4,649 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm going to say MS67+ Nice looking Morgan!


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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think this coin gets an MS 66, or + but no more. The reason in my opinion is that common dates are simply treated differently than those more difficult to find in high grade. The exact same coin as an 1879 "P" gets an MS 67 (again in my opinion).

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    blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66

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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    After looking at the larger image, to me the "most distracting" part of the coin is under the eagle's wings on the reverse. Hard to tell if those are die lines, or what. Some of the same are apparent in front of Liberty's mouth. Might those be holding the coin from the grade you were expecting?

    As for my GTG.....I'll go with 66 if those are simply raised die lines on a freshly polished die. But they may prevent it from going much higher(?) (I honestly don't know how they deal with "distractions inherent in the die")

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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:
    That is die polish. Very common on the date. I've seen this coin in hand. :)

    That was my assumption. (If they weren't, then a details grade might be the result).

    So, the question is: Does heavy die polish influence the grade? And if so, how much?

    (I've often said my grading vocabulary pretty much ends at MS-65....so I'm not even going to guess).

    Easily distracted Type Collector
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    oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    photo = 66+/67

    coin = ??

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It should be a 66. You probably got a 64 because of the striation and the severe grade tightening right now.

    How bad is that whack in front of her eye? The trueview is hiding it nicely but it's there.

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @3keepSECRETif2rDEAD said:
    ...it's been brutal lately...I stopped sending coins in for a bit...summer was the sweet spot but that's over like baseball I guess ;)

    Clean Morgan I will say they robbed you at ms65+ but that's a 66+ at least to me ;)

    I had a Rattler drop 2 grades recently. No reason to crack anything right now.

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    CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice. MS67 on the nose.

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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @TommyType said:

    @FadeToBlack said:
    That is die polish. Very common on the date. I've seen this coin in hand. :)

    That was my assumption. (If they weren't, then a details grade might be the result).

    So, the question is: Does heavy die polish influence the grade? And if so, how much?

    (I've often said my grading vocabulary pretty much ends at MS-65....so I'm not even going to guess).

    It's not supposed to influence grade. I've got a very pq 67 CAC with die polish.

    Playing devil's advocate.....If eye appeal is part of the calculation, (and we all know it is), then distracting die polish probably IS considered, to a degree.

    Considering the ol', "Would you rather", game: Would you rather have a coin with, or without the heavy die polish?

    Seems to me, at some poorly defined and highly subjective level, it might end up subtracting from the grade....

    Easily distracted Type Collector
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    USMarine6USMarine6 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let me guess...UNC details alt. surfaces?

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-66 ... MS-66+ perhaps ... naw ... MS-66

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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @USMarine6 said:
    Let me guess...UNC details alt. surfaces?

    First Details Grade guess, but no, it's straight graded.

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    WDHWDH Posts: 158 ✭✭✭

    66

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,817 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66+

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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TommyType said:
    After looking at the larger image, to me the "most distracting" part of the coin is under the eagle's wings on the reverse. Hard to tell if those are die lines, or what. Some of the same are apparent in front of Liberty's mouth. Might those be holding the coin from the grade you were expecting?

    As for my GTG.....I'll go with 66 if those are simply raised die lines on a freshly polished die. But they may prevent it from going much higher(?) (I honestly don't know how they deal with "distractions inherent in the die")

    Here it is with much magnification...

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    Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOOKS GEM! I would say 65/66!

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    ParlousJoeParlousJoe Posts: 451 ✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2017 4:28PM

    Personally I would think I would give it a 66 maybe even a plus, but with the hits at the eye, cheek, neck and rims, I would say a 65, maybe 65+. It's a very nice looking Morgan that you have!

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin. 66+

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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭

    67

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    KccoinKccoin Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    True views make it look kinda dull for an "S" . Some here's and theres, ....

    If you got robbed, maybe 65 or 64.

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,456 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty coin! Is there something going on at the rim above states, seen on the reverse?

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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keyman64 said:
    Pretty coin! Is there something going on at the rim above states, seen on the reverse?

    Very minor action above AT in STATES

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,456 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m going to guess that it was graded 66. Really pretty coin.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    F12..... Okay, I'm wrong. What IS it? ;):D

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2017 6:20PM

    @TommyType said:
    After looking at the larger image, to me the "most distracting" part of the coin is under the eagle's wings on the reverse. Hard to tell if those are die lines, or what. Some of the same are apparent in front of Liberty's mouth. Might those be holding the coin from the grade you were expecting?

    As for my GTG.....I'll go with 66 if those are simply raised die lines on a freshly polished die. But they may prevent it from going much higher(?) (I honestly don't know how they deal with "distractions inherent in the die")

    Die polish.

    Never mind, answered before reading further down the thread.

    When do we find out the grade?

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    ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    Sure is nice... 66+

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    mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2017 6:22PM

    Like most, my gut first instinct is to say 67. Based on context, I assume it came back as something less, perhaps because of something difficult to discern from the True View.

    Edited to add: Regardless, gorgeous coin!

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