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1822 N-11 vs N-13

In worn examples (no visible denticles) is there a good way to tell the common N-11 obverse from very rare N-13? Look so dang similar.

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    LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭

    This is a toughy & even harder on worn
    pieces.
    Newcomb describes the bases of E R in LIBERTY
    touching for N11, where N13 they are just slightly
    apart.
    N-13 star 7 at a given stage has a crack from above
    the 7 going down to B E in LIBERTY & sometimes
    to her neck.
    I think star 1 is closer to the 1 in the date for N-13
    & just a bit further away for N-11.

    The odds say you have N-11. Show us a clear, close
    image of your coin.

    My Type Set

    R.I.P. Bear image
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    LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭

    P.S. N-11 has a small center dot in front of
    the ear. Don't believe N-13 has that.

    My Type Set

    R.I.P. Bear image
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2017 4:05PM

    Without denticles this is going to be tough.

    Below are, in order, the N11, N13, and a composite of the two (an overlay).

    I notice the N11 "8" is more upright. The spacing between the 2's is greater on the N11. The N13 T looks lower than the N11, relative to the R. And of course the positions of the stars are slightly different (except, remarkably, S5 and S10). But without denticles it's really hard to draw conclusions from them. Their different positions are still similar and their relationship to the bust points isn't very helpful.

    You'll notice other nuances. E.g., where S8 point to the top of Liberty's head.

    LoveMyLiberty points out the centering dot in front of the ear on the N11. Good tip! But is it there on your worn example? (And if not, that tells you nothing.)
    Lance.



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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The overlay shows what I was posting from the original images. For coin #2:

    1. 1 closer to the bust. I was wrong on this.
    2. Star #3 points to the mouth.
    3. Star #13 points higher up the curl.

    On a worn coin, only the position of star #3 should be helpful.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I learn something here every day.... Good information to archive. Thanks all.. Cheers, RickO

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