Would this '79-S Morgan make a PO-01 at PCGS?

Kyle

*Update on Page 2*





This 1879-S Morgan Dollar arrived in the mail today, and looks like it has a good shot at making a PO-01. I have included pictures of my 1878-S FR-02 just for comparison.



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SeattleSlammer

Darn close but I think it may still go FR2.

AUandAG

no, fair 2

braddick

Textbook PO1

Davideo

There is definitely some inconsistency with lowball grading, so nothing would surprise me, but I would say probably yes. At least for the obverse my personal gauge is no stars or motto except for a partial "RIBUS", which is what yours has.

EDIT: I also like no Liberty visible: your FR02 does and your 79-S does not.

CommemKing

Looks like a 2 to me.

jtlee321

I think it's a P01 to me.

golden

Originally posted by: jtlee321
I think it's a P01 to me.

oih82w8

Looks like a "toss-up".

ajaan

I agree, a "toss up". 50% of the time PO01 and 50% of the time FR02.

foodude

PO01

thebeav

I think it's a two......a little too much obverse....

Coinstudy

The 79s is a second reverse(rev of 78).It unknown how many were minted in second rev.

joebb21

The obverse looks a little fr2 while the reverse is p01

CMCART

A close family member from Uncle Morgan????

roadrunner

I think PO1 "details" as the peripheral stars and lettering on both sides are essentially gone.



But it's possible they won't give you that score because of all the bright shiny marks from that coin sliding around for years. The shiny obverse and reverse edges are far less pleasing than a uniformly toned worn PO1. In my mind, a PCGS PO1 should have mostly choice, original surfaces....as it's the ultimate in low end - wear. The shiny highlights and hairline wipes are a distraction.

messydesk

A little more likely PO1 than not, but there's only one way to find out.

oldlinecoins

P01

Kyle

I'll have to send this to PCGS eventually. Like Davideo mentioned above there seems to be some inconsistency with lowball grading; so it will be interesting to see how this one fares.

Originally posted by: FadeToBlack

That just showed up today? Slow Canadian mail.

Yeah, I guess the post office started their holidays early or something.

IrishMikey

From what I have seen, I would give you a 50/50 shot at Poor-1. Yes, they are a bit inconsistent, but when dealing with such low grades, inconsistency is to be expected. A barely readable date and mintmark, with few other details remaining, fulfills my qualifications for Poor-1, but I am not a PCGS grader.

IrishMikey

Originally posted by: Coinstudy
The 79s is a second reverse(rev of 78).It unknown how many were minted in second rev.

The 1879-S is the upper reverse image, which is the normal Round Breast reverse. The 2nd reverse image is his 1878-S comparison piece.

LindeDad

Think loosing that "LIBERTY" in the headband will get it down there. Good luck.

jcping

Close enough but possibly no cigar -( PCGS is very tough on PO-1

coinkat

PO1 seems reasonable

BustHalfBrian

I think it's a P01. The 1878-S in FR02 has much more detail on the obverse.

messydesk

Originally posted by: BustHalfBrian

I think it's a P01. The 1878-S in FR02 has much more detail on the obverse.

This brings to mind a sadly serious question. Is it a practiced strategy (or superstition) to use a couple FR2 coins as "setup coins" to get your coveted PO1?

Wabbit2313

I say Yes!

johnny9434

it looks like a po 2 to me.

davewesen

It looks like 75% of year showing, and it seems to me you need less than 50% for P-01 so I think FR-02


I hope you do send it in and good luck

Kyle

Originally posted by: messydesk

Originally posted by: BustHalfBrian

I think it's a P01. The 1878-S in FR02 has much more detail on the obverse.

This brings to mind a sadly serious question. Is it a practiced strategy (or superstition) to use a couple FR2 coins as "setup coins" to get your coveted PO1?

I'm sure it's been done. FR-02's can be purchased relatively cheaply compared to the price of a PO-01.

WildIdea

I've sent in for a shot PO-1 and was awarded "questionable authenticity" which I thought was pretty weak. Don't think the boys are interested in playing the low ball game. Maybe PCGS would put out some guidelines? Or just keep us guessing.

WoodenJefferson

If Pat sez PO-1, then it is.

DennisH

Has a decent chance at 01.

Kyle

After a long wait, the grades are finally in!



PCGS PO-01

Wabbit2313

Sweet!

Kyle

Originally posted by: FadeToBlack

Congrats bro. Know you've been looking for one for your set for a while.

Thanks! I would have prefered a '78-S but this one will do for now.

CommemKing

Still looks like a 2 to me.

carabonnair

"God we rust" FTW!

pocketpiececommems

If this Morgan was a circ commem it would have a tough time getting a PO01 grade. Check out my FR02 Albany or Hawaiian.

Elcontador

If you don't get the grade you want, you may have to crack it out, resubmit it and try it again (I imagine there is an emoticon for this, but it's late and I'm tired).

BAJJERFAN

Originally posted by: FadeToBlack

That just showed up today? Slow Canadian mail.



I think it's got a shot. Maybe 25%.

So if 4 graders see it, one will give it a PO01?

BillJones

I think that it is a FR-02. The obverse needs to be a bit weaker so that you can barely read the date, while the "S" mint mark still needs to show on the reverse.

I guess it's back to the pocket piece for this one.