Mercury dime experts or anyone please chime in if this is FB lines

joebb21

Now that the auction is over I will ask the question.

Is this considered FB?

it is the second AU FB coin I have seen in the last 2 months (one of which I owned) that to me appears absolutely 0% on the fb scale.

perhaps i just dont know how to grade fb coins

Link

grip

Do they give FB on AU's? The one you show is not close to FB.

Goldbully

Looks pretty darn close to me.

It is amazing an AU coin could be graded FB.





edited to add: on second look.....no go!!

bolivarshagnasty

Most likely mislabeled. I don't see full bands.

TwoSides2aCoin

FB is to Franklin halves, what FSB is to Mercury Dimes, what FS is to Jefferson.



The coin posted isn't even close to Full Split Bands in my opinion. I'm no expert. I've just seen a few.

ricko

The central bands do not look fully split....the others may be.... Cheers, RickO

DollarAfterDollar

Look at the bands on the top and bottom of the bundle. They appear to be as mushy as the center bands (the only ones that count). I think you're looking at a terrible photograph and in hand the coin is within PCGS view of what full bands should be.

This is one you must see in hand.

jdimmick

Definitely not, IMO, has to be a mislabeld coin. Ugly to boot

keyman64

I saw that auction lot as well. From the photos alone, it is not FB. PCGS will assign FB to AU coins on the 1916-D, 1942/1, 1942/1-D and maybe the 1921 and 1921-D but that is about it.

LindeDad

Angle of the lighting play's into seeing if the split is there and on Mercury's only the center band must be fully split.

As mentioned only the key date coins are done if the coin grades AU.

TwoSides2aCoin

Challenge : find a 1945 Mercury with bands like that , and see if PCGS will give FB designation.

Oh, and I also like overdates. They're a favorite.

mercurydimeguy

From the images, that does not look FB. I used to like the "Golden Arches" analogy when looking for FB dimes, not hair thin splits...

DeepCoin

the images are TERRIBLE, but from what I can see, definitely NOT FB.

brg5658

Not even close.

BIGAL2749

Originally posted by: DollarAfterDollar
Look at the bands on the top and bottom of the bundle. They appear to be as mushy as the center bands (the only ones that count). I think you're looking at a terrible photograph and in hand the coin is within PCGS view of what full bands should be.

This is one you must see in hand.

I agree, the photos look like something I may have taken

Broadstruck

Doesn't even look close.

winky

I do not see FB on this dime.

joebb21

my understanding was all 3 horizontal bands had to be split for the designation. Is that not the case?



As mentioned in my original post this is the second one I have that made me scratch my head.



Last one was a pcgs au53

grip

You only need the middle band split for PCGS.

Treashunt

no, all 3 bands have to be full

LindeDad

Originally posted by: Treashunt

no, all 3 bands have to be full

Never has been the criteria at PCGS. Only the middle band.

BryceM

Google the PCGS grading video where they talk about FSB, FH, FBL, and FS designations. From the criteria of the video (and using common sense) this one doesn't even look close. It *could* be the photo, but it's more likely an error that made it to the label. It happens.



BTW, the video goes over the criteria the graders use. IIRC, they only consider the middle band.

oreville

can't tell from the terrible pics

jesbroken

If PCGS only requires the middle band for FB designation and NGC requires all three, what do they require for the Roosevelt dime for FB?

Jim

PTVETTER

No

joebb21

Another FB graded coin that doesnt look close to FB to me.

In my opinion this is just silly.

Something weird is going on

ha link

messydesk

Doesn't look like it to me, and the final price seems to be attributable more to the fact that the coin is quite attractively toned than the questionable FB designation.

keyman64

Originally posted by: joebb21

Another FB graded coin that doesnt look close to FB to me.



In my opinion this is just silly.



Something weird is going on



ha link

That is not FB either.

ShadyDave

Originally posted by: joebb21
Another FB graded coin that doesnt look close to FB to me.

In my opinion this is just silly.

Something weird is going on

ha link

Wow, that doesn't look close at all! "Buy the coin, not the holder"

joebb21

Originally posted by: ShadyDave

Originally posted by: joebb21
Another FB graded coin that doesnt look close to FB to me.

In my opinion this is just silly.

Something weird is going on

ha link

Wow, that doesn't look close at all! "Buy the coin, not the holder"

I agree that when grading coins you can debate if a coin is ms63 or ms64 etc.

Even AU vs MS I can hear many times but this looks terrible

DIMEMAN

Hard to tell from pic, but does not look FB to me. Like Keyman said they do give FB to key dates below UNC.

The top and bottom bands don't matter because they are always full......I have never seen any that weren't.

On Roosies it's the bands at the bottom.

oih82w8

...no cigar (close but no cigar reference)

mercurydimeguy

I'm sure it has FB, the image is just bad. I've never seen a "mechanical" error FB in all my time.



I've see close coins get FB, and others not, but never a blatant mechanical error FB.



And yes, they'll designate any coin with FB provided it has them. The lowest grade that's realistically possible in is probably XF45. I've seen several AU50FB coins and my 16-D was AU55FB, and super nice!



/mdg.

Type2

Originally posted by: grip
You only need the middle band split for PCGS.

Oop's wrong all bands need to be there....

keyman64

Originally posted by: mercurydimeguy

I'm sure it has FB, the image is just bad. I've never seen a "mechanical" error FB in all my time.



I've see close coins get FB, and others not, but never a blatant mechanical error FB.



And yes, they'll designate any coin with FB provided it has them. The lowest grade that's realistically possible in is probably XF45. I've seen several AU50FB coins and my 16-D was AU55FB, and super nice!



/mdg.

Not any coin, only 1916-D, 1942/1, 1942/1-D...and maybe a couple of others. I have asked and had it answered by Don Willis.

ChrisH821

Doesn't look FB to me, but photos can be misleading. On a related note I would suggest for everyone who hasn't, take a look at the pcgs webinar video on strike. It's very informative: Link

golden

Originally posted by: brg5658
Not even close.

TopographicOceans

I don't think any of them are

spacehayduke

Originally posted by: golden

Originally posted by: brg5658
Not even close.

I will second that agreement...........

Best, SH

nankraut

I'm confused; so...only the center bands have to be split (grip) or all 3 bands (Treashunt)?? The coin in question does not meet either criteria, imho.