Discussion regarding this Regency Slab

oreville

About 10 plus of these inexpensive Regency holdered Morgan Silver Dollars were slabbed by PCGS for the 1995 ANA show. I suspect these were actually sample slabs as I remember David Hall showing a couple of these but not selling or releasing them at the show.



Does David Hall remember showing these Regency Slabs to friends and dealers and collectors?



I have seen only two of these in the past ten years.



Your thoughts?

Coin Finder

The Danny Kaye collection was slabbed with these holders, mostly israeli coins I think but morgans, I have not seen one until now.

TomB

If I recall correctly these were offered from about 1992-1995. Therefore, it likely was not a sample slab at the 1995 ANA.

Lakesammman

Very interesting slab - would be cool if it said sample on the label.....short of that, not sure what to make of it.



Looking forward to hearing what the research crew at PCGS comes up with.

sparky64

Do sample slabs have valid cert #'s like this one does?



It's a good looking Morgan showcased by that cool slab.

MrEureka

Originally posted by: TomB
If I recall correctly these were offered from about 1992-1995. Therefore, it likely was not a sample slab at the 1995 ANA.

I'm pretty sure that the Regency holders were not in use for 3 years. I would have guessed more like six months.

keyman64

Cool

TomB

It could very well be shorter than three years, but I seem to recall reading a Coin World article, or something like that, at the time they were discontinued that mentioned they had been offered for at least two years. Regardless, I don't think they were ever that popular.



Additionally, I would like to clarify my first post to mention that I believe they were a 1995 ANA promotion-giveaway, but that I meant I did not think they were a "sample slab" in the sense that this was a new holder in 1995.



Who knows, I could be wrong on all counts. It was a while ago and I was not taking notes.

coindeuce

Originally posted by: MrEureka

Originally posted by: TomB

If I recall correctly these were offered from about 1992-1995. Therefore, it likely was not a sample slab at the 1995 ANA.

I'm pretty sure that the Regency holders were not in use for 3 years. I would have guessed more like six months.

+1.



On a different note, the most impressive U.S. coin that I ever saw housed in a Regency holder, was an 1893-CC S$1 BM Proof that John Albanese had for sale at the East Coast Expo in 1996. I believe it is currently designated SP(no longer in the Regency slab), and I do not know who currently owns the coin.

oreville

Here is a 1997 NGC slab issued for the 1997 ANA (New York) show.



They were given out by NGC at that show. My daughter was almost 12 then and got two of them at the show. They were giving out hundreds at the show.



Notice it also does not have "sample" on the slab on either side.

DRUNNER

Glad to see some slab posts . . . . . .



Drunner

DennisH

My understanding is that Regency slabs were only used for a few months, not for a few years. I know of at least one 1890 CC tail bar in a Regency holder.

MrEureka

1995

leothelyon

It likely dawned on someone the box would be too tall, falling over easily, slabs hitting the floor. An idea that likely was trashed before the crash or right after.


Leo

Zoins

Originally posted by: MrEureka

1995

Very cool. Is that the CRO pedigreed set?

Zoins

Originally posted by: oreville

About 10 plus of these inexpensive Regency holdered Morgan Silver Dollars were slabbed by PCGS for the 1995 ANA show. I suspect these were actually sample slabs as I remember David Hall showing a couple of these but not selling or releasing them at the show.



Does David Hall remember showing these Regency Slabs to friends and dealers and collectors?



I have seen only two of these in the past ten years.



Your thoughts?

It looks more like a show slab than a sample slab. Aren't there a lot of show slabs that aren't considered samples?

CoinRaritiesOnline

The raw gem Elephant token in the May 1996 Eliiasberg sale was later slabbed in a Regency holder, so these holders were in use at least through May of 1996.

Treashunt

Interesting

keets

according to conder101 from his book and the thread --- According to Rick Montgomery these were produced from 1992 to 1995 but so far I've only been able to trace them from Mid 1994 to the first quarter of 1995.



past that I would defer to Oreville and his research for the length of time they were issued as well as how to classify them. it seems that calling them a "show promotion" or a "show slab" instead of a sample is splitting hairs and getting hung up on semantics.

winky

I love them, something different.

UMCane

Very Interesting, and if your a "type" collector would make a nice presentation. The question is can you buy a presentation case to fit those slabs? I doubt it. Possibly a wall hung from Michaels case might work.



But very interesting none-the-less. I like it

oih82w8

I would not mind having a U.S. Type coin in a Regency Holder.

astrorat

Originally posted by: UMCane
Very Interesting, and if your a "type" collector would make a nice presentation. The question is can you buy a presentation case to fit those slabs? I doubt it. Possibly a wall hung from Michaels case might work.

But very interesting none-the-less. I like it

The slabs came with a presentation bag!

Zoins

it seems that calling them a "show promotion" or a "show slab" instead of a sample is splitting hairs and getting hung up on semantics.

It seems like many sample slab collectors themselves make a distinction since many special slabs are not collected as sample slabs. I don't think it's splitting hairs if it's a distinction that collectors use.


In any event, I wouldn't consider this a sample slab because it has a real cert number and cert listing: PCGS #3197487 (and doesn't say sample).


Saying a slab is a sample because HRH wasn't selling or releasing them at a show would be like saying every personal slab owned by a PCGS employee not for sale is a sample slab

Lakesammman

Everyone looks at things differently.



The way I look at it is, if it was created to promote PCGS, it's a sample. There are 3 main categories for me that makes it simpler to organize my collection.



1. Samples that look like slab generations actually issued by PCGS and include "sample" on the label.

2. PCGS Luncheon slabs.

3. Other promotional issues that don't follow the generation theme - organized by year of issue.

For example, 25th anniversary, Asia, Europe, YN prizes, etc.



If you're a splitter rather than lumper, #3 could become #3-6, i.e. Asia, Europe, YN's, other.



The Regency slab that Oreville posted is very cool and I'd love to own one. If the intent was to promote PCGS at the ANA, then it is a PCGS sample.



Legal Disclaimer - I reserve the right to change my mind as more information becomes available.

oreville

Saying a slab is a sample because HRH wasn't selling or releasing them at a show would be like saying every personal slab owned by a PCGS employee not for sale is a sample slab ------------------------- Coin Clubs | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists Edited: 12/2/2015 at 10:17 AM by Zoins

I am not fixed in my position that the Regency slab is a sample slab.....just that I wanted to discuss it.



This is a topic Lakesammman and I have discussed in the past and we tried to pin this down (what is the definition and requirements to be a sample slab)



We did feel one of the key determinants for being a sample slab was that they were initially given out for free and not sold. But that was not the only determinant and that is why I thought this was an interesting slab to discuss.



Does a sample slab have to have phony serial numbers to qualify as a sample slab?



Also the NGC slab I showed earlier here. What do we call it?



Also the NGC silver dollar sample slabs that has actual serial numbers?

OldIndianNutKase

Thanks for the very interesting post oreville. Today we find the Regency slabs to be very cool and would love to own one. But back in the day, I wonder how many collectors had them re-holdered to the new style because they like the new ones better.

OINK

keets

Zoins, I was only making my statement based on what Oreville had said and now the above post sort of backs that up. my thoughts at first were that as a promotional item it's a sample, but what do I know.

oreville

The Regency slabs were despised because of their huge size and indeed they did not fit in any standard boxes unless you turned them on their side which was rediculous.



I could not stand them either but they came out in an era a decade plus after the supersized GSA silver dollars, the Paramount and Redfield silver dollars slabs so I believe PCGS thought it would be attractive to those who wanted to have a coin in a large presentation slab as opposed to the standard slabs.



To boot, these Regency slabs were much more pricey than the standard sized slabs and were available by special order on the standard form. My memory were that they cost $50 each.



My recollection is that they faded away quite rapidly and by late 1995 or early 1996, PCGS discontinued them.

keets

they might be a good retro item like the Black NGC's, but they look a little silly holding non-absolutmonstercoins.

BAJJERFAN

Originally posted by: DennisH

My understanding is that Regency slabs were only used for a few months, not for a few years. I know of at least one 1890 CC tail bar in a Regency holder.

There are at least 2 of them.

BAJJERFAN

Originally posted by: oreville

Saying a slab is a sample because HRH wasn't selling or releasing them at a show would be like saying every personal slab owned by a PCGS employee not for sale is a sample slab ------------------------- Coin Clubs | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists Edited: 12/2/2015 at 10:17 AM by Zoins

I am not fixed in my position that the Regency slab is a sample slab.....just that I wanted to discuss it.



This is a topic Lakesammman and I have discussed in the past and we tried to pin this down (what is the definition and requirements to be a sample slab)



We did feel one of the key determinants for being a sample slab was that they were initially given out for free and not sold. But that was not the only determinant and that is why I thought this was an interesting slab to discuss.



Does a sample slab have to have phony serial numbers to qualify as a sample slab?



Also the NGC slab I showed earlier here. What do we call it?



Also the NGC silver dollar sample slabs that has actual serial numbers?

How many slabs would one need to order to get a sample slab promoting one's business? I have one NGC slab from a board member personalized with his business name on it.

oreville

I met John Albanese today. He was still the owner of NGC back in 1997 (He had to think about that one for a bit!).



He seems to remember that this NGC sample slab simply did not have enough room to put SAMPLE on the slab.



This does not explain the PCGS 1995 ANA slab as it has plenty of room on the slab.

Will continue to investigate.

Lakesammman

How many slabs would one need to order to get a sample slab promoting one's business? I have one NGC slab from a board member personalized with his business name on it.



I don't know if it's how many you order or if it's how big a fish you are.



There were a lot of "Fast Coin" samples this summer on ebay. Rick Snow did it in 1997 for a Christmas giveaway. Coin clubs do it all the time.



Contact PCGS and ask.

jmcu12

There are at least three tailbar Morgan's in these holders. I feel very fortunate to own one of them!

WinLoseWin

Were there any changes of style in Regency holders or would they all be considered the same classification with no design sub-types?

jmcu12

Wouldn't it be neat to find a sample Regency Holder with a Doily Insert?

oreville

Regency slab with a doily insert?



Impossible as the doily insert is too small for the Regency slab.

BStrauss3

In his book, David ducks the issue of what is or is not a sample by calling for



"Sample, Promotional, Club, Show, Luncheon, Novelty and Young Numismatist Coin and Currency Holders"





https://sites.google.com/site/sampleslabbook/

oreville

TextAdditionally, I would like to clarify my first post to mention that I believe they were a 1995 ANA promotion-giveaway, but that I meant I did not think they were a "sample slab" in the sense that this was a new holder in 1995.

The Sample slab is not necessarily defined as PCGS displaying a new holder.



PCGS sample slabs are generally giveaways at many national shows and in the past 15 plus years more often than not, encasing a current year dated coin.

cccoins

I have seen an 1870 cc $20 in a regency slab, which puts it among the better coins in regency slab.

illini420

Found this old thread searching around today and though the discussion of what is and what is not a sample slab to be interesting.

Figured I'd add confirmation to this thread that an actual PCGS Regency Sample Slab w/ "SAMPLE" on the label does exist after all... it was found at the recent 2016 ANA World's Fair of Money in Anaheim.



But I do think the ANA attributed one in the OP is pretty darn cool too!