1913 Type 1 Buffalo.....Proof or Business Strike? Updated Pics of edge

Crazy4Coins

What do you think? I bought it mainly because I thought the strike was outstanding, and then I noticed the rims. Currently holdered as a MS67.

Could this be a proof, or just a well struck business strike?




All cracked out now:

lasvegasteddy

<<< in the business strike camp here
proofs usually have flat top lettering & numbers that "standout and above" the rest of the coin
but i'm no matte proof buffalo pro

amazing example you got there regardless
congrats

hopefully i'm wrong

commoncents05

Business strike, no doubt about it.

-Paul

koynekwest

A very nice, exceptionally struck EDS coin but not a proof IMO as the rims aren't uniformly wide and flat and the strike isn't "all there" on the reverse as it should be and almost always is on a proof. Examine the edge-is it beveled at all? Is it mirrored? Does the edge look like the edge on a modern era (1950s-1970s) Jefferson nickel proof? If the answers for these three questions is "no," "yes," and "yes" it's probably a proof.

OldEastside

Super Nice BS

Steve

crypto79

not only a BS but only a slightly above ave one at that. I see nothing to even suggest proof. These where saved by the roll and are very very common in this state of preservation.

Sonorandesertrat

Business strike.

Crazy4Coins

<< <i>A very nice, exceptionally struck EDS coin but not a proof IMO as the rims aren't uniformly wide and flat and the strike isn't "all there" on the reverse as it should be and almost always is on a proof. Examine the edge-is it beveled at all? Is it mirrored? Does the edge look like the edge on a modern era (1950s-1970s) Jefferson nickel proof? If the answers for these three questions is "no," "yes," and "yes" it's probably a proof. >>



Thanks for your input Ron. I'll have to crack it out of the slab and check the edge. My intentions were to crack it out and put in my album anyway. I'll update with pics if I find any of the above answers to indicate proof potential.

BUFFNIXX

As others have said, this is a business strike. Because you can get a really nice 1913 type one business strike buffalo nickel for a fraction of the cost of a matte proof I think this has kept the price of the 13 type one proof down a bit from where it should be considering its rarity.

koynekwest

Let us know what you see. The '13 Var 1 proof is actually one of the more common dates. It has a higher value because it's a one year "type" coin. Many people prefer the Var 1 design, myself included, which may drive the value up, too.

Shamika

Crazy4Coins - Check your PM.

Crazy4Coins

All cracked out now.

Edges are pretty square. I don't think the edge has the mirror look though. Stuck it in my album. We'll see what it looks like in 5 years.

lasvegasteddy

just looking at rims...i'd wonder if it's proof too

i've never had a raw one to know
but still think business due to "look" and no flat top or square date or lettering

thanks for updating this thread
i'm watching this

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koynekwest

I can readily see how anyone can be fooled by a coin like this. The strike and surfaces resemble a proof quite closely.

Shamika

I'd submit it.

koynekwest

<< <i>I'd submit it. >>



I agree with Chris-submit it. You might get a proof designation and you really have nothing to lose other than a slabbing fee. Worst case is you'll have an outstanding business strike in a slab.

ricko

That is a very impressive Buff... I do not think it is a proof, but must have been a very early strike.... really nice.. Cheers, RickO

buffnut

I'll go out on a limb and say it is a proof. The surfaces have that type 1 proof "pebbly" look, and the rims are quite square. The only thing that bothers me is the lack of strike definition on EPU. But that could be because of the photos too.

Please submit this one- I would pay a premium for it even if it didn't come back as a proof

Cheers!

messydesk

The marks on the bison's front leg and by the Indian's eye tell me business strike. The rims sure look like those of a proof, though. I was trying to compare with a PR65 on Heritage, looking for die markers. I couldn't find anything to go on, but I also couldn't find any differences. Good luck!