The Statehood Quarter program in hindsight.
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Happened to be cleaning out some old Coin Worlds and Numismatics News from my library, and of course I had to flip through a few of them, and just came across a March 29, 2004 CW with a picture of Daniel Carr's proposed Maryland quarter with a sailboat out in the Bay and a crab up on the shore. It is so much better than the adopted design.
Now that we have had time to digest the series, let's once again play "What are your favorites?" "What are your duds?"
I'll start with the Michigan as my dud, designed from an old Speedway 79 gas station map.
Now that we have had time to digest the series, let's once again play "What are your favorites?" "What are your duds?"
I'll start with the Michigan as my dud, designed from an old Speedway 79 gas station map.
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Some are too busy: Nevada
Best: Washington
2nd best: Wisconsin
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MI or NH are duds
maybe NV, AZ or CO are ok.
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<< <i>Agree.....I like Dcar's art.
Some day the rest of the world will see it my way.. >>
I love his original art.
Daniel, could you post a picture of your Maryland here?
Daniel did a great job on NY and RI.
Lance.
That series got me back into collecting after a 6 year hiatus. I didn't even know they were doing the program until I got a Delaware quarter in change.
Having visited NH many times, that SHQ is one of the ones I appreciate the most. It's simple and iconic. I also like DE and NV.
I think they could have did a better job with some of the busier, collage, ones as well as the ones that used the outline of the state.
Sentimentally, I like the designs for Iowa and Nebraska. Old-timey a bit, I love it.
The Wisconsin quarter, with Bossy, the Cheddar Wheel, and "Forward", is so bizarre it's fascinating, extra leaves or no.
Remarkable after all the attention given these that the public is totally unaware of the ATB program. I suspect the combination of media fragmentation and lack of attention to pocket change in general as it becomes less valuable are contributors.
<< <i>Remarkable after all the attention given these that the public is totally unaware of the ATB program. I suspect the combination of media fragmentation and lack of attention to pocket change in general as it becomes less valuable are contributors. >>
I get a lot of ATBQs in change, including 2 more Denali's today. On average, I prefer the ATBQ designs. I do think they are promoted less and less people know about National Parks than States. A while ago I saw a TV show where they interviewed people on the street and most people they found and showed couldn't name the 5 closest states to them. Of course, I'm sure they dramatized it by purposely showing people who didn't know.
Dud would have to be Wyoming's followed by DC's. Not that there is anything wrong with Duke but it seems that the nations capital could have come up with something a lil more fitting.
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<< <i>Fav was the first one. Nice & historical. >>
I also like the DE quarter, however, it is controversial with the original designer, along with the Maine (Daniel's) and Missouri SHQs, since the US Mint changed the submitted designs.
The original DE design was from Eddy Seger who has written about the controversy on his website.
He also had his design minted by NCM with an image on his website:
It's interesting to note that it says "Tribute Proof" where "Quarter Dollar" should be. The original NCM versions did say Quarter Dollar but they seem hard to find now. I think the renditions of the original designs are interesting, NCM for DE and MO, Daniel Carr for his own ME design.
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<< <i>Fav was the first one. Nice & historical. >>
I also like the DE quarter, however, it is controversial with the original designer, along with the Maine (Daniel's) and Missouri SHQs, since the US Mint changed the submitted designs.
The original DE design was from Eddy Seger who has written about the controversy on his website.
He also had his design minted by NCM with an image on his website:
It's interesting to note that it says "Tribute Proof" where "Quarter Dollar" should be. The original NCM versions did say Quarter Dollar but they seem hard to find now. I think the renditions of the original designs are interesting, NCM for DE and MO, Daniel Carr for his own ME design.
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NCM also issued District of Columbia and Puerto Rico "quarters" that I designed. In fact, my 2004 PR quarter design is very similar to the US Mint's 2009 PR design.
NCM produced the DC and PR quarters with dates from 2004 to 2009. Most were silver-plated. A few were solid silver and were marked as such on the edge.
I'm only missing one of them - the 2005 PR solid silver version (I've not been able to confirm if that one was even made).
I have heard of at least one of these NCM District of Columbia "quarters" being found in circulation alongside regular quarters.
This does make for an interesting collection - state quarter designs that were privately minted.
As for the best design, and being fully aware of the potential accusations of native bias, the lighthouse scene with the sloop Victory Chimes for the Maine Statehood Quarter certainly has artistic merit.
[And I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the beautiful Charter Oak design on the Connecticut Statehood Quarter].
I'm going to have to shake things up here and go with Alaska and Puerto Rico.
Honorable mentions to Nevada, Oklahoma, Missouri, Washington, and California. I suppose I've got a Western/nature bias here.
My FAVORITE, though, was Daniel Carr's Indiana quarter with an outline of the state and the motto "Crossroads to Hell"!
Another customer wants the "gold plated" from 2004 or 2006. There were gold, silver, platinum plated sets in the "aftermarket", too. And people collect them.
It's a day of rest, but I could use a drink, TD.
<< <i>This does make for an interesting collection - state quarter designs that were privately minted. >>
Let's not forget the parody state quarters (including Carr's own issues), some of which are more memorable than the US Mint issues.
Favorite: Connecticut - by far the best design of all the series - especially impressive as a silver proof.
<< <i>Make no mistake about it, I love the State of New Hampshire, and I completely understand New Hampshire's love for their beloved "Man of the Mountain", tragically lost in a natural disaster. But the depiction of the "Man of the Mountain" on their Statehood Quarter looks somewhere between an overcooked marshmallow and the Michelin Man. Certainly a better depiction could have been used if that was to be the best representation for the beautiful State of New Hampshire.
As for the best design, and being fully aware of the potential accusations of native bias, the lighthouse scene with the sloop Victory Chimes for the Maine Statehood Quarter certainly has artistic merit.
[And I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the beautiful Charter Oak design on the Connecticut Statehood Quarter]. >>
While I think the Old Man of the Mountain could have been implemented better, it's adequate for me. Your feelings about the NH actually mirrors my feelings about the CT. The image posted by LindeDad is beautiful, but every time I see one in hand at quarter size, the design looks like a bunch of squiggly lines to me. Of course, I may also be biased from comparing it to the beautifully executed classic commem (CCHD).
The ME quarter is interesting from design perspective because the state chose Dan's design but the Mint reversed and modified the view to one that doesn't actually exist for the coin. It seems like artistic license is desired for coin / medal designs in the case of Eddy Seger's DE (Rodney's facial disfiguration) and Dan Carr's ME (direction). Of course, it's has since come full circle with Dan's Colorado Springs Coin Club (CSCC) 50th Anniversary Medal taking artistic license with the direction of Pike's Peak from the General Palmer statue. All the end designs were well executed based on perceived ideal perspectives which is interesting when studying how designs are introduced and adjusted for implementation.
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<< <i>My two cents, I think that the ATB quarters are the way it should have been in the first place. The State Quarters look like too much clip art to me. >>
I agree the ATBs are much more artistically engraved and executed. I really enjoy looking at them. That being said, it's hard to argue with the popularity of the SHQs.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
In terms of design dynamics, I think Delaware and Connecticut did the best job of adhering to the cardinal rule of "less is usually more" in coin design.
<< <i>Living in Texas back in 2004, the Texas Statehood quarter kindled my childhood interests in Numismatics as an adult. The Lone Star State Quarter is a quality design... simple with a statehood message. Then in Dec. 2004- Febr. 2005, I kept hearing about some pair of "Extra Leaf" quarters that had been discovered in Tucson. My thoughts at the time was "Bless Their Hearts" and enjoy your discovery. Then, in Jan 2005, I started looking for and finding some BU examples right here in my own backyard of San Antonio. The rest is history. The WI design really doesn't due much for me; though Wisconsin is a great state. But the newly found WI varieties changed my life. Whether for good or bad, the verdict is still out. I thought that it was interesting that no dealer has mentioned the WI quarters in this thread. "To each their own". Have a great day collecting your choice of coins. >>
Texas was one of the most successful designs because it was simple, bold, and iconic.
Many of the designs were way too ambitious for the small, low relief format. Others
were just poorly conceived or executed.
DUD.
<< <i>@Zoins ... thank you for the Maryland images. >>
@TD: You're welcome. I'm a big fan of numismatic history, and I think designs from Dan Carr, Eddy Seger, and others today are just as noteworthy as alternate designs from artists and sculptors in the past. Designs today and in the past are both of interest to me.
<< <i>This does make for an interesting collection - state quarter designs that were privately minted. >>
@DC: I agree. The Mint and States did something unique in choosing the first few designs. It was a neat process and created a lot of excitement and history. This is why I enjoy your alternate submitted designs series for the quarters and small dollars.
Similar to your documentation of the selection of your designs, here are photos for Seger's (just found from eBay actually). It would be nice to get some better scans for archival purposes.
least favorites but a nice XF looks pretty good. If the Wyoming could circulate long enough
I think it would look good too but it will need to be in VG.
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Simple, not clip art.
I'm from California and we did not get a very good one, it was too cluttered.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.<< <i>Cool thread! Usually, anything about the Statehood Quarters,gets shot down,cold heartened. In a trivia sense, I'd pick the Illinois Quarter. It's the only Quarter with not just one President on the coin but two. Lincoln as well as Washington. Two of our greatest! (my opinion). but my favorite design would have to be the North Dakota. I'm sorry, I'm bias on the ole Buffalo! -joey >>
I think it's really neat having so many different quarters in circulation. All the diversity
is even causing lots of the bicentennial quarters to get back into circulation which better
bridges the gap between the early clads and the states issues as well as the gap to the
silver Washingtons.
I agree with the ND buffalo quarter pick but then I started with buffalo nickels so am a
little biased on the issue. I like the Kansas, too, for the same reason.
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<< <i>Cool thread! Usually, anything about the Statehood Quarters,gets shot down,cold heartened. In a trivia sense, I'd pick the Illinois Quarter. It's the only Quarter with not just one President on the coin but two. Lincoln as well as Washington. Two of our greatest! (my opinion). but my favorite design would have to be the North Dakota. I'm sorry, I'm bias on the ole Buffalo! -joey >>
I think it's really neat having so many different quarters in circulation. All the diversity
is even causing lots of the bicentennial quarters to get back into circulation which better
bridges the gap between the early clads and the states issues as well as the gap to the
silver Washingtons.
I agree with the ND buffalo quarter pick but then I started with buffalo nickels so am a
little biased on the issue. I like the Kansas, too, for the same reason. >>
Yeah! I forgot about the Kansas Buff. as a matter of fact, I think I prefer the Kansas over the N.D. sorry North Dakota.
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There are just too many million coins to look at. Coins will always be a "Treasure Hunt" for the numismatists. Right ? We must face this reality, as painful as it may read to "haters" or "scoffers and mockers" of the fundamental mechanics of the trade/hobby, because; in essence, collectors have to assemble. Every time I start a simple collection, there seems to be a P or a D mint I have to go "buy from another dealer".
And to be honest, it wasn't the ten thousand treed variety that makes me think this, or the Wisconsin Quarter "leaf" saga. It's the missing clad layers, sintered planchets, etc., that have proven over and over what will and does happen with the production of coins.
My thoughts wrapped up in a nutshell.
<< <i>The nice thing is that a collection can be put together relatively easy with pocket change. Like the old days of wheat cents. It's the blue collar that supports the hobby, by and large.
A hidden blessing, in disguise. Who knows WHEN new errors might/will be discovered with a better educated society of young people searching ? The kids with the EAGLE EYES are out there. No offense to Mr Snow, who's coined that name rather famously. They're out there (eagle eyes and errors).
There are just too many million coins to look at. Coins will always be a "Treasure Hunt" for the numismatists. Right ? We must face this reality, as painful as it may read to "haters" or "scoffers and mockers" of the fundamental mechanics of the trade/hobby, because; in essence, collectors have to assemble. Every time I start a simple collection, there seems to be a P or a D mint I have to go "buy from another dealer".
And to be honest, it wasn't the ten thousand treed variety that makes me think this, or the Wisconsin Quarter "leaf" saga. It's the missing clad layers, sintered planchets, etc., that have proven over and over what will and does happen with the production of coins.
My thoughts wrapped up in a nutshell. >>
There are nearly 200 different clad quarters in circulation now NOT counting varieties
and errors! If it's too easy to find a WY denver in Unc a collector can try finding a DE
philly in nice attractive AU. If it's still too easy then try all 200 in VF to BU. Try to find
all the varieties and search for unreported varieties! Yes, it's a really fun treasure hunt
as as time goes by the scarcities will begin to disappear and then it won't be as much
fun.
History always repeats.
Of the designs not actually produced by the US Mint (but were privately minted), my favorites are:
Worst: PA, TN, OH, LA, IN, MI, FL
Anything with a state outline is a non-starter in my book.