Texas 1936 D Commemorative Genuine - UNC Details (98 - Damage or Tooling)Grant cleaned added

LMM

OK this coin came back a Genuine - UNC Details (98 - Damage or Tooling) can someone tell me what it is from these pictures. I bought it off eBay several years ago inexpensively because I really liked the Texas Commemorative design and being from Texas was an added +. At the time I really didn’t want to pay for a graded coin because I was just going to display it around the house anyway. I had to find a coin to send in to use one of my vouchers recently so I got it graded. I guess I'll break it back out and put it back on the shelf.

savoyspecial

just a guess, but is that a solder spot (ex jewelry?) at 12:00

DorkGirl

<< <i>just a guess, but is that a solder spot (ex jewelry?) at 12:00 >>

On the rim, looks like a rim bump.

LMM

I didn't notice that before but that's what must have done it. Thanks

BillJones

I think that Ms. Texas' hand and knee were smoothed to remove scratches. That part looks like it's had more metal removed than the amount that would be missing from a slight amount of wear.

Broadstruck

I'm not sure what was tooled on this but based on your images the surfaces are very unnatural.

Both the obverse and reverse are completely lackluster with a matte almost bead/sand blasted appearance.

johnny9434

nice coin in any case <sigh>

ColonelJessup

Saw a Hawaiian 50c proof (sic,sick) that looked like that once. Professor Jones seems on target. I guess coin docs need to practice on something.

Broadstruck

<< <i>Saw a Hawaiian 50c proof (sic,sick) that looked like that once. Professor Jones seems on target. I guess coin docs need to practice on something. >>



The reverse looks more like a Maryland Matte Proof then a Hawaii

Kove

Although it is PCGS practice to only list one reason on the holder for a no-grade, I believe there are multiple reasons this coin will not grade. I think Bill Jones is right about liberty's wrist and knee. However, the surfaces have also been altered. 1935-P Texas halves can have a satin or even matte-like appearance, but 1936-Ds are as blasty-lustrous as they come. There are also rim issues, but probably not enough by themselves to prevent a grade. The Colonel's probably right, somebody practiced on this coin. A lot.

ColonelJessup

The matte proof Hawaiian referred was (sick) matted outside the Mint. MrEureka will shake his head knowingly.

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>I'm not sure what was tooled on this but based on your images the surfaces are very unnatural.
Both the obverse and reverse are completely lackluster with a matte almost bead/sand blasted appearance. >>



+1
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7Jaguars

Quite attractive to me [at the right price]. Is it for sale?

kookoox10

Is it me or does certain devices look re-engraved? Specifically the eagle feathers? Might just be my old eyes.

ModCrewman

I'd say overdipped to the point of damaging the surface of the coin.

sniocsu

Nice coin anyways

LMM

I added some new pictures. Thanks everyone for the comments. I still like the coin for its history and the cheap learning experience I got from buying it. The best lessons are the ones you learn from and come out smarter. It's going back on my display shelf

Spooly

<< <i>I'd say overdipped to the point of damaging the surface of the coin. >>




and the rim problem.

milkcoin

gorgeous coin w/ smooth surfaces! i'm a fan!!

BillJones

<< <i>gorgeous coin w/ smooth surfaces! i'm a fan!! >>



This IS NOT a "gorgeous coin." This is a damaged coin. The Texas commemorative half dollar does not have this type of dull, "matte" surface. The undamaged coin has mint bloom.

If you are going to buy coins that have not been certified by NGC or PCGS you had better learn the difference. If you don't you are destined to lose a lot of money and have a collection to will have limited value and an unfortunate future.

While it is quite true that coins should not be viewed as investments, it also true that buying problem coins will not allow you to get the better prices when it comes time to sell. This coin is not worthless or worth only its melt value in silver, but it value is considerably diminished. In the case of the Texas commemorative half dollar, the price of nice examples is not prohibitive. Middle class collectors can afford them. Why not buy a nice, unimpaired example and avoid pieces like this?

Here is a Texas commemorative half dollar that PCGS graded MS-66. I paid $160.00 for it in 1990. Now it is listed on the dealers' wholesale Gray Sheet at $210.00. Note the difference in the mint luster between this piece and the one at the top this thread.

I know that I have come off hash here, but I'm doning this for your own good.

georgiacop50

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<< <i>gorgeous coin w/ smooth surfaces! i'm a fan!! >>



This IS NOT a "gorgeous coin." This is a damaged coin. I know that I have come off hash here, but I'm doning this for your own good. >>



That is A-OK BillJones. Somebody had to say it!

And hash is a good thing!

7Jaguars

Sorry Bill, though you are technically correct IMO, the OP coin even if altered is superior aesthetically, and no doubt its "new" outted price will make it a decent deal if the poster wishes to sell. I would buy it today at the right price (and certainly NOT at a true cert. MS66 price!). Call it damaged and not original surfaces, fine, but attractive it is.

Still would buy at the right price. LMM - is it for sale?

BTW, Bill, your coin looks dipped as long as we are talking "apples"...LOL, but true none the less. Just saying....

BillJones

<< <i>Sorry Bill, though you are technically correct IMO, the OP coin even if altered is superior aesthetically, and no doubt its "new" outted price will make it a decent deal if the poster wishes to sell. I would buy it today at the right price (and certainly NOT at a true cert. MS66 price!). Call it damaged and not original surfaces, fine, but attractive it is.

Still would buy at the right price. LMM - is it for sale?

BTW, Bill, your coin looks dipped as long as we are talking "apples"...LOL, but true none the less. Just saying.... >>



"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."

Have your way, but don't come complaining to us that "the coin collecting hobby is a rip-off," when you find no buyers or very low ball buyers for your problem coins. I made that mistake when I was a young collector, and I have avoided making it again.

pmac

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<< <i>gorgeous coin w/ smooth surfaces! i'm a fan!! >>



This IS NOT a "gorgeous coin." This is a damaged coin. The Texas commemorative half dollar does not have this type of dull, "matte" surface. The undamaged coin has mint bloom.

If you are going to buy coins that have not been certified by NGC or PCGS you had better learn the difference. If you don't you are destined to lose a lot of money and have a collection to will have limited value and an unfortunate future.

While it is quite true that coins should not be viewed as investments, it also true that buying problem coins will not allow you to get the better prices when it comes time to sell. This coin is not worthless or worth only its melt value in silver, but it value is considerably diminished. In the case of the Texas commemorative half dollar, the price of nice examples is not prohibitive. Middle class collectors can afford them. Why not buy a nice, unimpaired example and avoid pieces like this?

Here is a Texas commemorative half dollar that PCGS graded MS-66. I paid $160.00 for it in 1990. Now it is listed on the dealers' wholesale Gray Sheet at $210.00. Note the difference in the mint luster between this piece and the one at the top this thread.

I know that I have come off hash here, but I'm doning this for your own good.


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Coming off "hash" is quite 70s of you.

7Jaguars

Bill, true what you said is, but notice that I worded my response carefully and why it is the price I, for example, might pay is based on it being "damaged". I was also just saying that the aesthetics of the OP coin are quite nice.


Also, ironic that your coin though slabbed does appear dipped. So at what point do we draw lines? Is it where a TPG slabs a coin?

BillJones

I don't know what you are paying for this piece, but the lowest price on the Gray Sheet is $105 in EF for the type. For $160 you can get an MS-64. Is worth saving $55 to buy the lower grade piece? Not to me. BTW the market for these most all of the old commemorative half dollars has been so quiet for so long than the Gray Sheet is really the "retail sheet" for run of the mill examples for the grade.

As dipping the purists don't like it, but what really counts is mint luster. Many collectors don't like toned coins. Dipping is no where near as bad as having the surfaces stripped it is on this piece. You buy problem coins when nothing else is available at price you can afford. Otherwise you avoid them.

7Jaguars

Well, I would buy theoretically and if he was selling at 60 I would be good at that for sure. Not for resell though.

LMM

Bill I don’t take your comments as being harsh. Quite frankly that is why I read this forum to learn! I actually bought this coin 5 years ago I think and I was just starting to get interested in coins. I bought a Grant at the same time (coin posted) that came back cleaned that I would not buy today because of what I have seen and learned from this forum. I don’t want to sell this coin either but thanks. I live in Texas and love the design. What I have learned is that I really don’t know much about coins and have since stayed with certified coins. I may pay a little more but I know what I’m getting. Much of my collection is in Platinum and some Gold buffalos I bought from the mint in 2008 (not proof they were already sold out). Thanks again