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1849 $20 at Heritage Auction!

MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Exciting offering, almost:

Heritage Link

Only two little problems with the attribution on the label:

1. The encapsulated item is not an "1849 Pattern Double Eagle". It's a poor copy of one, with some modifications.

2. It's not from the "Smithsonian Collection". The Smithsonian does have a real one in their collection, but why is that relevant to this piece?



Andy Lustig

Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Exciting offering, almost:

    Heritage Link

    Only two little problems with the attribution on the label:

    1. The encapsulated item is not an "1849 Pattern Double Eagle". It's a poor copy of one, with some modifications.

    2. It's not from the "Smithsonian Collection". The Smithsonian does have a real one in their collection, but why is that relevant to this piece? >>


    image

    CRO handled the real deal a few months ago. image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's just silly.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GACK!
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Current bid is right around melt.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's a market for Fantasy. Many of us will never understand it, yet cannot deny its existance as this piece and many others in the market demonstrate

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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,642 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yuck. I don't even like it as a copy. And there are some nice copies out there of various things.
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's a market for Fantasy. Many of us will never understand it, yet cannot deny its existance as this piece and many others in the market demonstrate

    No doubt this is true. However, the text on the label is still bizarrely inaccurate.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,654 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There's a market for Fantasy. Many of us will never understand it, yet cannot deny its existance as this piece and many others in the market demonstrate >>



    There are some people who collect coprolites.
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coprolites - all this time I thought it was coproliths - you learn the most interesting things here on the CU forum. image
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the ones that turn to opal...
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>There's a market for Fantasy. Many of us will never understand it, yet cannot deny its existance as this piece and many others in the market demonstrate >>



    There are some people who collect coprolites. >>


    At least those are of some historical significance...image
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,667 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To je govno
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>....

    CRO handled the real deal a few months ago. image >>



    Another secret deal that only now, long afterwards, do we find out happened.

    I'm curious about the shipping arrangements. Insured mail? Or did Longacre's driver pick it up directly. The piece certainly has his name all over it.

    Coprolites! We've all seen dreck in holders. Are they now holdering scheisse? Maybe from the Jurassic Park Collection?image

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,654 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>....

    CRO handled the real deal a few months ago. image >>



    Another secret deal that only now, long afterwards, do we find out happened.

    I'm curious about the shipping arrangements. Insured mail? Or did Longacre's driver pick it up directly. The piece certainly has his name all over it.

    Coprolites! We've all seen dreck in holders. Are they now holdering scheisse? Maybe from the Jurassic Park Collection?image >>



    "Merde-ily we roll along..."
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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  • cardinalcardinal Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've seen these advertised by a number of sellers. Supposedly they were produced by a private mint that paid a licensing fee to the Smithsonian:

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Liberty is related to Dizzy Gillespie !!!
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,262 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can see that it's "New York Mint" that paid a fee to the Smithsonian. Doesn't much surprise me, and doesn't make it any less a piece of crap that I thought it was at first sight, even if it is gold. The only reason they paid the fee for approval is because the Smithsonian wouldn't let them use the name or any likeness of the coin at all without it. Saying that it's approved simply means they cashed the check, and doesn't legitimize it further. Were the whereabouts of the other 1849 $20 known, they could skirt around having to pay the licensing fee by avoiding using "Smithsonian™", "National Numismatic Collection™", "National Museum of American History™" or the logo. Pictures of John Smithson are probably fair game, being public domain.
    John
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yikes!
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  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't get all the angst. All it is is a not-very-well-made hunk of gold. If I could buy it at exactly melt, then meh. I'd have more interest if it was really a nice copy, but it's not. Not as though anyone is liable to mistake it for the real thing.

    Sort of like with the gallery mint copies that were done -- some I really liked (their draped bust dollar repro) -- some didn't look that great. Those, I didn't happen to buy.
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